Study links cannabis use to psychosis

[Rubicant]

Originally Posted by HOOT

They have already come out with one that gives results in 60-120 seconds, but I think the cost is pretty high like it was for booze years and years ago.

Really? Hadn't heard of that.

Interesting.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I can't speak for how the numbers come to all I know is I heard them from Dr. Lester Grinspoon, Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.

Why are you hiding behind that though? Do you think that no one has ever been in or caused a fatal car accident while high? Unless your answer is "yes" there is no reason that there should be a 0 beside marijuana in your post. I get that you probably didn't even give it a second thought, and that is what I mean by "stoner arguments".

[AvsJerk]

It's pretty close to being legalized here in Colorado. $100 will get you a medicinal marijuana license, which enables you go into any one of 5 dispensaries (in my town) to purchase pretty much whatever strain or hybrid your heart desires...little bit cheaper than street prices even.

My pot smoking days are pretty much over (better things to spend my money & time on), but one of my good buddies has his license and purchases regularly...no problemo.
It's amazing, he doesn't have to smuggle weed in from Mexico or Canada...it's grown right here locally...he hasn't even been thrown in prison yet!

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by AvsJerk

It's pretty close to being legalized here in Colorado. $100 will get you a medicinal marijuana license, which enables you go into any one of 5 dispensaries (in my town) to purchase pretty much whatever strain or hybrid your heart desires...little bit cheaper than street prices even.

My pot smoking days are pretty much over (better things to spend my money & time on), but one of my good buddies has his license and purchases regularly...no problemo.
It's amazing, he doesn't have to smuggle weed in from Mexico or Canada...it's grown right here locally...he hasn't even been thrown in prison yet!

So you're in a small town in Colorado and you have weed stores?

Hmmm. Sounds familiar.



Do you also carry your balls around in a wheelbarrow?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Why are you hiding behind that though? Do you think that no one has ever been in or caused a fatal car accident while high? Unless your answer is "yes" there is no reason that there should be a 0 beside marijuana in your post. I get that you probably didn't even give it a second thought, and that is what I mean by "stoner arguments".

No one has ever caused a fatal car accident while high on weed. Never happened.

Granted, this is an old article, but kinda destroys HOOT's stats.

Link

"Stoners twice as likely to cause fatal accidents".

[AvsJerk]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Do you also carry your balls around in a wheelbarrow?

Why yes, as a matter of fact I do.

[Young-Sneezy]

as a non smoker...



just think about the tax revenue...

id legalize it.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Why are you hiding behind that though? Do you think that no one has ever been in or caused a fatal car accident while high? Unless your answer is "yes" there is no reason that there should be a 0 beside marijuana in your post. I get that you probably didn't even give it a second thought, and that is what I mean by "stoner arguments".

You're assuming they lump in the drunk driving deaths with alcohol related deaths. Maybe they track those as automobile deaths?

http://www.csdp.org/publicservice/causes.htm

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376&page=R1

(1999 - marijuana) "Indeed, epidemiological data indicate that in the general population marijuana use is not associated with increased mortality."

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

No one has ever caused a fatal car accident while high on weed. Never happened.

Granted, this is an old article, but kinda destroys HOOT's stats.

Link

"Stoners twice as likely to cause fatal accidents".

Researchers say about 2.5% of the fatal crashes were attributable to marijuana compared with nearly 29% attributable to alcohol.

Ya weed is our biggest issue. It doesn't destroy anything because that is not what the alcohol stats are about. I was wrong it's closer to 100k, not 150k but it's still deadly and consumed by all legally.

I'm not saying people should drive while high, I'm actually against the idea and think there should be the same penalties as alcohol.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Young-Sneezy

as a non smoker...



just think about the tax revenue...

id legalize it.

Think of the tax revenue leaving the country with organised crime shipping thier product to countries where it's illegal.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by HOOT

You're assuming they lump in the drunk driving deaths with alcohol related deaths. Maybe they track those as automobile deaths?

http://www.csdp.org/publicservice/causes.htm

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376&page=R1

They lump everything they can into alcohol and cigarette deaths. Regular alcohol consumptions is cited as the cause of cancers and digestive diseases. We aren't just talking about liver disease here, mind you, we're talking about throat, colorectal and breast cancers, as well as strokes. There are certain interest groups that want to see these numbers as high as possible when it comes to alcohol and tobacco related deaths and the reality is, there is quite a bit of leeway when it comes to calculating these numbers. For whatever reason, there isn't any interest in using some of that leeway to implicate marijuana related deaths. Make no mistake though, it wouldn't be very hard to do.

[Delthefunky]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I can't speak for how the numbers come to all I know is I heard them from Dr. Lester Grinspoon, Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.

He also laughs at the "addiction" factor of marijuana saying that coffee is worse.

Grinspoons book "Marijuana Revisited" should be a must read for anyone who claims to know that marijuana is bad for you, without ever having have tried it (extensively )

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Dion

Think of the tax revenue leaving the country with organised crime shipping thier product to countries where it's illegal.

I'd think it would be controlled by the government and licensed just like tobacco and alcohol are (and taxed at the source). Sure some would slip through but nothing like what is happening today.

I'm not a user of cannibus (although in the 60s I smoked more than my share where the business was more a thing of sharing amongst friends) but I would like the tax source and the government controls and would really like to get big organized crime out of the business.

[AvsJerk]

I think for any sort of tax revenue to be produced, it has to remain a somewhat controlled substance. License to grow, possess and buy or something, as it would be pretty easy to grow your own and cut out the tax man. It's not really feasible for most people to grow their own tobacco or brew/distill alcohol...weed on the other hand...

I think my buddy with the medicinal license is also allowed to grow up to six plants for his own use.

[Nage Waza]

I think people will be too lazy to grow their own weed. Some may, but the vast majority will not. No matter how easy it is to do something, there is a human trait to prefer to get someone else to do it for you.

[calumniate]

Linked so psychosis? Possibly if you over-do it and do things like smoke alone in a confined environment. I'm a super lightweight now and hardly touch it, but I always found that it was excellent for tackling moguls at sunshine or playing sports, not competitively or in tournaments of course. It's a great muscle relaxant. It's a very situational drug. If you take it while outdoors in a social environment it's a totally different thing than doing it alone and tripping by yourself. Sadly those with issues with psychosis obviously will not bode well by taking it.

[CaptainCrunch]

I think if you're going to legalize it you have to control it.

If you want to grow it you have to buy a license to grow it. You have to report any revenue that you generate. If you're caught growing illegally then we seize your property and auction it off.

You can only buy it in a liquor store with proper ID.

If you're caught selling it to a minor, its jail time.

But I'm not convinced that if you legalize it your going to effect the underworld market, they're not just going to shrug their shoulders and give up on a lucrative market. They're either going to under cut whatever the legal costs are, or they're going to push harder on the harder drugs.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by robocop

let's get one thing straight, most of you have zero comprehension regarding the difference between correlation and causation.

One is significant and so is the other.

[Pinner]

nm, I forgot what I was going to say

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think if you're going to legalize it you have to control it.

If you want to grow it you have to buy a license to grow it. You have to report any revenue that you generate. If you're caught growing illegally then we seize your property and auction it off.

You can only buy it in a liquor store with proper ID.

If you're caught selling it to a minor, its jail time.

But I'm not convinced that if you legalize it your going to effect the underworld market, they're not just going to shrug their shoulders and give up on a lucrative market. They're either going to under cut whatever the legal costs are, or they're going to push harder on the harder drugs.

Easy one.. look at some European countries then look at the kind of crime that is rampant in the states, a country in which mj is highly illegal (jail time / fines for mere possession of papers!). The underworld market will always be, but you're artificially making a larger portion of the market underworld with hard prohibition of mj.