02-21-2011, 01:32 PM
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And actually all court cases are open to the public and that includes everyone having access to the records. There are some exceptions such as high profile cases but if you go through www.albertacourts.ab.ca you should be able to order transcripts I believe.
And I comment on this thread because I guess I can? I should only comment on threads where I can give you an internet handjob as to how great you and your opinions are? |
And I can only form an opinion on cases where I have read every single word in a 2 week transcript?
Hypocrite much? You weren't arguing my opinion you were arguing the fact I formed an opinion through a Sun article. Pot meet Kettle.
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02-21-2011, 01:34 PM
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And I can only form an opinion on cases where I have read every single word in a 2 week transcript?
Hypocrite much? You weren't arguing my opinion you were arguing the fact I formed an opinion through a Sun article. Pot meet Kettle.
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Do you even know what a hypocrite is?
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02-21-2011, 01:34 PM
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And do you really feel that you know this case well enough to be able to pass judgment on them?
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Yes.
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02-21-2011, 01:35 PM
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Do you even know what a hypocrite is?
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No, but I know what a schtick is and yours is getting tiresome.
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02-21-2011, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by puckluck
Yes.
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Based upon what? Beyond a Sun article of course.
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02-21-2011, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by valo403
Key words. We know very little.
The decision on which charge to pursue isn't solely based upon what the crime most closely resembles, it also involves what charge you can get a conviction on. Would you prefer that this thread was titled 'Accused killer found not guilty of first degree murder'?
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Yeah, was just coming in here to say this. I'm certainly no lawyer (yet), but there are plenty of instances where prosecutors determine that the only way to get a conviction is to go with the lesser charge.
Are you a lawyer, valo? I thought I read somewhere that you were.
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02-21-2011, 01:36 PM
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Can we at least agree that 6.5 years or so is not enough for what the guy did?
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02-21-2011, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by puckluck
No, but I know what a schtick is and yours is getting tiresome.
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You see, I don't think you know what a shtick is or you'd at least be able to spell it properly.
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02-21-2011, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by valo403
Based upon what? Beyond a Sun article of course.
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Do you have any inside knowledge you can share? because as of right now I can only go on the information I have. If I'm wrong because the Sun is not presenting all the facts then so be it.
If you know more about this case that you'd like to share then do it otherwise you're not really making a point.
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02-21-2011, 01:38 PM
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You see, I don't think you know what a shtick is or you'd at least be able to spell it properly.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/schtick
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02-21-2011, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy
Can we at least agree that 6.5 years or so is not enough for what the guy did?
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I'd agree, but I don't have all the info either...... 
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02-21-2011, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by puckluck
And I can only form an opinion on cases where I have read every single word in a 2 week transcript?
Hypocrite much? You weren't arguing my opinion you were arguing the fact I formed an opinion through a Sun article. Pot meet Kettle.
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How am I a hypocrite? Because I try not to form my opinion off of a Calgary Sun article? I fully admitted that I didn't have enough information to form an accurate description for what had happened. I am not saying you need to know every detail and read every word but to say that you even remotely understand a very complex case based upon a summary from the Calgary Sun's usually biased reporters is pretty weak and dare I say lazy.
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02-21-2011, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rubecube
Yeah, was just coming in here to say this. I'm certainly no lawyer (yet), but there are plenty of instances where prosecutors determine that the only way to get a conviction is to go with the lesser charge.
Are you a lawyer, valo? I thought I read somewhere that you were.
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I am, which explains my bitterness and argumentative nature. 
Not a criminal lawyer, but took plenty of crim law classes and have a few friends who are prosecutors and defense attorneys. It's a much more shades of grey area than people like to pretend it is. No two cases are the same, and nothing fits perfectly within the definition of a crime.
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02-21-2011, 01:40 PM
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Sorry but it's not in my Firefox dictionary and that's the only one that matters! 
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02-21-2011, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by puckluck
Do you have any inside knowledge you can share? because as of right now I can only go on the information I have. If I'm wrong because the Sun is not presenting all the facts then so be it.
If you know more about this case that you'd like to share then do it otherwise you're not really making a point.
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Actually I am making my point quite clearly. You see my point isn't that this verdict/charge/sentence was right or wrong, I'm smart enough to not attempt to take a stance on something that I know next to nothing about. My point is that we don't know the reasoning for the charge pursued or the sentence imposed, and coming to the conclusion that the justice system is a joke based upon an article in the Sun is moronic. You are doing a fantastic job of proving my point.
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02-21-2011, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by valo403
I am, which explains my bitterness and argumentative nature.
Not a criminal lawyer, but took plenty of crim law classes and have a few friends who are prosecutors and defense attorneys. It's a much more shades of grey area than people like to pretend it is. No two cases are the same, and nothing fits perfectly within the definition of a crime. |
Yep, I'm not looking to get into crim either, but I know a few people who are and they all seem to indicate that these things happen.
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02-21-2011, 01:43 PM
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Time for my weekly shower people. We'll continue this wonderful thread another time.
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02-21-2011, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by valo403
Actually I am making my point quite clearly. You see my point isn't that this verdict/charge/sentence was right or wrong, I'm smart enough to not attempt to take a stance on something that I know next to nothing about. My point is that we don't know the reasoning for the charge pursued or the sentence imposed, and coming to the conclusion that the justice system is a joke based upon an article in the Sun is moronic. You are doing a fantastic job of proving my point.
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It's just a typical example of somebody trying to argue a stance based on emotion rather than logic. A lot of people don't realize that the framework of the justice system works to the advantage of the average citizen. Sometimes that framework is exploited, but if we started treating each case on an individual basis, without any sort of rules or guidelines, we'd quickly find ourselves in a illegitimate civil and legal quagmire.
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02-21-2011, 01:48 PM
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Time for my weekly shower people. We'll continue this wonderful thread another time.
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A little off topic, but what? I think someone needs a few lessons in personal hygiene.
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02-21-2011, 01:49 PM
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A little off topic, but what? I think someone needs a few lessons in personal hygiene.
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He's probably just waiting for a Sun article on the subject.
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