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Old 01-23-2011, 11:29 PM   #41
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To me the problem comes from the gravity of the claim. Trying to alleviate the symptoms from a common cold? Fine - take a sugar pill or take a water capsule if you want a placebo. I don't really care. It might be a scam and ineffective but it's not really going to do you any harm.

You can't say the same thing about when homeopaths claim that their sugar pills will cure cancer or HIV or are more effective than vaccinations and people forgo real treatment in favor of this junk.

As I did not see the video, I can't comment on it specifically I guess. I have not personally seen a commercial product make any claim as they are forbidden to make any claim with regards to "cure" or "treat".
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Old 01-24-2011, 02:06 AM   #42
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As Tim Minchin says:

You know what they call alternative medicine that works? Medicine!
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Old 01-24-2011, 10:25 AM   #43
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You left out the most important part! Did it work!??
I never actually went. I'm not going to give someone a hundred bucks of my money to perform what basically amounts to an elaborate joke on me.

As it turns out, my ACL was able to repair itself due to the sheath of the ligament being intact (doesn't happen often). Imagine if that had been the case and I went to see her homeopathic healer? It'd give her immense fodder for her claims.
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:19 PM   #44
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I think any parents that use homeopathic medicine as substitutes for serious vaccines should be charged with child abuse.
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:23 PM   #45
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I think any parents that use homeopathic medicine as substitutes for serious vaccines should be charged with child abuse.
How about parents who home-school their children and teach creationism instead of science?
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:26 PM   #46
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How about parents who home-school their children and teach creationism instead of science?
Well in that situation I think they should be denied a high school diploma, but you can't really say that it's endangering the child.
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:34 PM   #47
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I keep checking this thread hoping for someone to try and defend homeopathy, but alas no lemming has appeared.
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:40 PM   #48
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The whole idea behind alternative medicine is flawed. Quite frankly, if it worked then they would simply incorproate it into standard medical care. Despite what a bunch of con-artists might tell you, mainstream medicine/science is not opposed to looking to other cultures for solutions.

Not to mention, if there was a substnace/practice in another part of the world that was curing diseases BigPharm would leap all over it the first chance they had. Businesses, in general, like to make money.
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Old 01-24-2011, 03:12 PM   #49
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The whole idea behind alternative medicine is flawed. Quite frankly, if it worked then they would simply incorproate it into standard medical care. Despite what a bunch of con-artists might tell you, mainstream medicine/science is not opposed to looking to other cultures for solutions.

Not to mention, if there was a substnace/practice in another part of the world that was curing diseases BigPharm would leap all over it the first chance they had. Businesses, in general, like to make money.
As has been mentioned once in this thread. Homeopathy and Natural Medicine are not the same thing. Homeopathy is the belief that if you take some ingredient and dilute it to the point of undetectability it increases the effect. Whereas Natural Medicine is just medicine made from herbs and other natural products. Some of it is effective, some of it isn't
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Old 01-24-2011, 03:15 PM   #50
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As it turns out, my ACL was able to repair itself due to the sheath of the ligament being intact (doesn't happen often). Imagine if that had been the case and I went to see her homeopathic healer? It'd give her immense fodder for her claims.
Imagine the anecdotal evidence you'd have! You'd be a True Believer(tm) after that, going on to convince many others, being quoted on their website, etc.

Perfect example of why anecdotal evidence usually isn't evidence.
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Old 01-24-2011, 03:21 PM   #51
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A nice explanation of what Homeopathy is...

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Old 01-25-2011, 12:10 PM   #52
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http://www.skepticnorth.com/2011/01/...verdose-10-23/

Today [Jan. 17th], groups from across Canada: Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto, Kitchener-Waterloo, Ottawa and Montreal, announced their intent to participate in the international 10-23 event, as organised by the Merseyside Skeptics in the United Kingdom.

Independent organizers, along with the Centre for Inquiry Canada, the Association for Science and Reason, and Les Sceptiques du Québec will be joining skeptics in the US, UK, Australia and several other countries to stage an overdose to show that homeopathy, a pre-scientific invention by Samuel Hahnemann in the 18th century, is nothing more than water and sugar pills. The event is planned to take place February 5th or 6th, with video evidence of the events to be uploaded to the 10-23 website and shown at the Merseyside Skeptic’s QED event on the 6th.

The recent furor over the CBC Marketplace episode on homeopathy has sparked interest in the Canadian media and among the public in the claims made by homeopaths and the dubious scientific evidence behind them. Instead of countering claims with evidence, several groups decided even before viewing the episode to slam the CBC website with complaints about the producers. The comments section on the episode website re-opened and currently sits at over 400, and producers have told CFI that it is the highest rated Marketplace episode to date.



The comments at the CBC web-site make me sad.

What's The Harm?

http://www.1023.org.uk/whats-the-harm-in-homeopathy.php

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http://www.skepticnorth.com/2011/01/...verdose-10-23/

Today [Jan. 17th], groups from across Canada: Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto, Kitchener-Waterloo, Ottawa and Montreal, announced their intent to participate in the international 10-23 event, as organised by the Merseyside Skeptics in the United Kingdom.
No Calgary participation?
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How about parents who home-school their children and teach creationism instead of science?
They might not be abusing them but their kids are going to be suffering from their parents ######ation for decades.
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http://www.twipscience.org/news/2014...homeopathic-co

On Friday, in the continuation of a case that originates from 2012, U.S. District Judge Dolly M. Gee certified a class action brought against Standard Homeopathic Co. and its subsidiary Hyland’s, Inc. for "unfair and deceptive practices [that] have enriched them by tens of millions of dollars, at the expense of tens of thousands of Americans".
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Australian doctors told not to prescribe homeopathic items as 'they do nothing'

Royal Australian College of General Practitioners says pharmacists should not stock such products because there is no evidence they are effective in any way

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandst...hey-do-nothing
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Australian skeptics have been doing great things, the fight back against the anti vaxxers and now this. Aron Ra was here for a week in May and he spoke about his 3 weeks in Oz and said how impressed at the size and passion of the skeptic, atheist, humanist movements there.
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Are herbs to help with problems in the body for example considered homeopathy or just alternative medicine?

I totally buy into herbs helping better than some other medicine in some cases.
Homeopathy is just a fancy name for water. They just dilute something with water until there is no molecules of the original substance left. Useless.
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I just use Thieves oil and lavendar on everything. Cured my cancer right up.
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Like I said, both businesses are based on profit, so you're going to see deception on both sides, but it is obvious the advantage big pharma has with all their advertising dollars they are going to be generally cast in a good light.
What?I can think of few industries with a worse public image than pharma, mostly wrongly so.
Profit drives research. Every significant advancement made in improving peoples health and controlling/eliminating disease comes from big pharma research. And there is no industry with tighter regulatory control.

This other nonsense has zero controls and makes ridiculous, unfounded claims that bilk people out of billions.
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