10-26-2020, 01:57 PM
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Yup. Currently no one's property so I just deleted him from the UFA list.
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11-25-2020, 11:37 AM
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#43
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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How does the league handle LTIRetirements?
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11-25-2020, 01:09 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
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Traditionally we haven't retired them because most of the time it isn't totally clear if they are done or not.
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11-25-2020, 02:32 PM
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#45
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Makes sense that he plays out the year, do to LITR. He's going to disappear from the ratings grid next year, so enjoy it while you can.
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11-25-2020, 02:51 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Traditionally we haven't retired them because most of the time it isn't totally clear if they are done or not.
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How is the NHL team saying "Johnny Boychuk’s career has come to an end" not totally clear
Isn't this why we have penalties on signing UFA's
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11-25-2020, 03:34 PM
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#47
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The NHL situation has made this more confusing than it used to be. We used to rely on some sort of specific use of the word "retire" but now players are done, but don't retire, because instead they are placed on LTIR. So we've generally allowed those players to remain active, but their ratings take the hit going forward. That's what was done with Savard, Horton, Hossa, and others in the past.
I'm totally open to how to make this less ambiguous. But that's what creating the confusion, and generally where we try to draw upon how we've handled in the past.
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12-17-2020, 08:11 AM
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#48
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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12-21-2020, 03:02 PM
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#49
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
The NHL situation has made this more confusing than it used to be. We used to rely on some sort of specific use of the word "retire" but now players are done, but don't retire, because instead they are placed on LTIR. So we've generally allowed those players to remain active, but their ratings take the hit going forward. That's what was done with Savard, Horton, Hossa, and others in the past.
I'm totally open to how to make this less ambiguous. But that's what creating the confusion, and generally where we try to draw upon how we've handled in the past.
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If a player is retired, he's retired. I don't see what the difference is all of a sudden. The only difference then with the players mentioned above is that they didn't announce they were retired
The list of guys in our league that are retired that are still allowed to be on rosters is growing. If the rules were applied teams would be forced to make trades and changes to restructure theirs.
There are even buy-out penalties that can be enforced, one of the things that should be considered when handing out UFA 1 way contracts.
We may be backing ourselves in a corner when we choose to enforce rules after turning the other way to others
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12-22-2020, 07:21 AM
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#50
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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My opinion for what it's worth.
If we aren't sure if a player is done aka has not announced retirement, I think there should be an option like a Byfuglien to put him on the IR. A team shouldn't be penalized for an indecision and lack of retirement announcement.
If he retires like Boychuk or Steen, I think they come off the roster. Not sure how Boychuk is considered anything other than retired.
Those are my two cents.
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12-22-2020, 07:52 AM
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#51
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Are these guys formally retired in the eyes of the NHL or are they going on LTIR with retirement officially effective when their contracts are up? The argument could be made that until they are officially retired by the NHL/PA they have just announced their retirement effective at the end of their contract.
I think we also need to consider this year as an anomaly. Our alignment with the NHL is so out to lunch that we are seeing the NHL pre-season retirements come out now, half way through our season.
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12-22-2020, 11:49 AM
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#53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanni
Are these guys formally retired in the eyes of the NHL or are they going on LTIR with retirement officially effective when their contracts are up? The argument could be made that until they are officially retired by the NHL/PA they have just announced their retirement effective at the end of their contract.
I think we also need to consider this year as an anomaly. Our alignment with the NHL is so out to lunch that we are seeing the NHL pre-season retirements come out now, half way through our season.
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I think this season is an anomaly but I think during our off-season we should consider if we can update how we handle to better align to the realities of what's happening in the NHL.
I see two paths
- We keep the current approach, which is if the player is on LTIR they aren't retired, but they get hit hard in re-rates. This benefits GMs in some cases (they can continue to use a player this year) but it also hurts GMs in others (e.g. GMs have to keep a non retired player on their roster using up cap space - Colin Wilson, Dustin Byfuglien (bit of a different situation), etc)
- We become more liberal in our definition of retirement and if a player communicates they aren't playing any more, or accepts an off-ice position - we consider them done.
This has been a moving target and we are doing the best to be consistent in how we apply the rule. But I think it's time to figure out how to evolve it given the NHL behaviours in play. To me that's a call we can align on in the off-season.
Last edited by Jiri Hrdina; 12-22-2020 at 01:16 PM.
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12-22-2020, 12:27 PM
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#55
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I suspect they will get hammered but we will have to see. As a reminder, we don't do the re-rates ourselves - we use 3rd party packages to avoid any application of bias or subjectivity on our end.
So we will have to see how they handle it - and if we want to do anything above and beyond that.
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12-22-2020, 12:55 PM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Calgary
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12-22-2020, 01:12 PM
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#57
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Franchise Player
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yeah he's done done - no contract, no IR. Just done.
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12-22-2020, 01:15 PM
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#58
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First Line Centre
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I have the same concerns that all of the others are raising. I think stability for rules is also important for the league. I appreciate the leaders leading so I can just talk trash.
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12-22-2020, 01:51 PM
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#59
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TurdFerguson
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Ugh. There goes my top 4 (Top pairing right now, because of the Adam Pelech injury)
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12-22-2020, 02:46 PM
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#60
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Sorry...just for clarity, why does Boychuk not retire then?
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