Stanley Cup: Florida Panthers [ATL1] vs Edmonton Oilers [PAC2] - Florida wins 4-3

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Their entire roster looks lost. The moment I guess was too big for them.

Unless they all get hypnotized and convinced that this isn't the cup finals, they have no chance Monday.

I know you're salivating at the thought of the Oilers winning, but to say Florida has no chance is utter nonsense. Edmonton has won a single game in Florida, almost giving up a 3 goal lead. They've been outscored 10-6 in 3 games in Florida, even with a 5-3 loss. Home ice advantage is a thing.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Game 5 they played okay, Bob sucked
hopefully they can play a decent home game...forget the comeback though they are VERY lucky this thing isn't over...they were lucky to be up 3-0 in the first place and they are lucky to have a game 7 at home for the cup. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and win a ####ing game!

I think for the Panthers to be successful they need to play like underdogs, outwork the other team. In game 5 when the oilers had the power play coming off the first period Florida was playing like they weren't worried, then bam the oilers were pressing for that 2nd goal and that gave them confidence. I thought tha pp goal after the first period, was the turning point of the series. Edmonton just put the foot on the gas.

Panthers need to play like underdogs and work harder.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Brick

Something about this series doesn't pass the smell test.

Edmonton’s entire playoff run has been flat out bizarre and extremely fortunate for them. Starting with drawing the worst team in the playoffs in round 1, then facing the Canucks’ 3rd string goaltender in round 2. Elite teams like Dallas and Florida suddenly just throwing in the towel for multiple games in a row. Teams that are that deep and talented don’t usually fall off a cliff like that. The entire thing has been weird to say the least.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

3-0 is the new 28-3.

The Falcons are my NFL version of the Oilers, so them losing in the end would help. 28-3 is basically a holiday in Louisiana lol

[Ped]

People really need to stop with the narrative that the NHL is somehow fixing this. It's absolutely ridiculous. The league doesn't give a crap about Edmonton, and would probably be happier if McDavid left for a bigger market.


I realize fans are grasping at straws but if you're thinking that way, not sure why you would still be at all invested in this league in any way.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Groot

I know you're salivating at the thought of the Oilers winning, but to say Florida has no chance is utter nonsense. Edmonton has won a single game in Florida, almost giving up a 3 goal lead. They've been outscored 10-6 in 3 games in Florida, even with a 5-3 loss. Home ice advantage is a thing.

Yes, I would love for the Oilers to win and my post history definitely shows that.

The Florida team looks dead in the water. I guess we will see.

[Ped]

Home Ice is a thing, until it isn't. Momentum is a thing, until it isn't. The playoffs are all about narratives but in a Game 7, anything can still happen.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Brick

Something about this series doesn't pass the smell test.

The way Montour crashed into Bob on the first goal of game 4, I'm beginning to think Bob was injured on that play and has been playing through the injury ever since.

I also think the Panthers are so scared to take a penalty, they are playing tentatively as a result. Much like the 2022 Flames.

[browna]

Yeah Oilers didn't tank. It was pure arrogance and hubris from the President thinking he knew how to run a hockey team that lead to gross incompetance basically since the last SC final they were in 18 years ago. And then lottery luck, and even then, along the way, clipping the career development of numerous 1st OA picks by throwing them into the deep end with no support and super high expectations. Two survived.

With the meddling done by that President, documented cases of players, agents and other GMs rejecting dealing with the Oilers, allowing terrible seasons and thus these picks.

The league then changed the rules to prevent this utter mismanagement from being rewarded. Now, they have managed to find a way.

A tank and rebuild situation is better centered around the Pens and Crosby.

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Flames fans gonna boo Tkachuk mercilessly when panthers play in Calgary again for letting this happen.

I didn't really have much ill-will against Tkachuk when he stated he wouldn't re-sign. The writing was on the wall after Johnny left and I was way more upset about him leaving (mainly sad as he was my favourite player in the league). I was more pissed at Tre for letting it get to that point where Matthew had the ability to say that, as he notoriously chose to keep Frolik over signing Tkachuk to a long-term extension.

But if the Oilers actually win it all on Monday, after the "performance" he's put up against them in the finals... I will absolutely boo the hell out of him next time he plays here.

[butterfly]

“Confidence” doesn’t exist. Otherwise Florida would have swept this. You’d see an appreciable difference with poorer teams winning all the time after they get it. It is a silly way of explaining random variation.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

They walked around in the desert for 5 years and then lucked out and won the McLottery. They had no business winning that one either. Typical NHL changing the rules right at a key moment when a generational player is draft eligible.

Then it still took them 9 years to get to the finals. They only have 4 players left on the roster that were on the roster in McDavid's rookie year.

That is not a plan.

Okay.

Calgary Draft History:
2000: 9th
2001: 14th
2002: 10th
2003: 9th
2004: 24th
2005: 26th
2006: 26th
2007: 24th
2008: 25th
2009: 23rd
2010: No pick
2011: 13th
2012: 21st
2013: 6th
2014: 4th
2015: No pick
2016: 6th
2017: 16th
2018: No pick
2019: 26th
2020: 24th
2021: 13th
2022: No pick
2023: 16th

The Flames made the playoffs 10 times since the 1999-2000 season, and have won 5 series in that time (6 if you want to count that qualifying round during the shutdown). Over the course of the last 24 drafts, the Flames have made 20 1st round picks with an average position of 16.75

Edmonton Draft History:
2000: 17th
2001: 13th
2002: 15th
2003: 22nd
2004: 14th
2005: 25th
2006: No pick
2007: 6th
2008: 22nd
2009: 10th
2010: 1st
2011: 1st
2012: 1st
2013: 7th
2014: 3rd
2015: 1st
2016: 4th
2017: 22nd
2018: 10th
2019: 8th
2020: 14th
2021: 22nd
2022: 32nd
2023: No Pick

The Oilers made the playoffs 10 times since the 1999-2000 season, and have won 9 series in that time. Over the course of the last 24 drafts, the Oilers have made 22 1st round picks with an average position of 12.27

So if the Oilers walked around the desert for 5 years, just what in the hell were the Flames doing that was in any way better?

I'm not making the Oilers out to be the best run team in the world, and I've dumped on them plenty - but the Flames have been worse, so if you're dumping on the Oilers...well, what about the Flames? The Oilers have made the Stanley Cup Final twice in 19 years, meanwhile the Flames have made it once in the last 35 years. From 2000-Current, the Flames won 910 regular season games and the Oilers won 848 regular season games, while the Flames won 38 playoff games and the Oilers have won 56 playoff games.

You note it took the Oilers 9 years (2015 -> 2024) - it took the Avalanche the exact same number of years to make it there after they drafted MacKinnon (2013 -> 2022). It took Tampa 12 years (2008 -> 2020).

It takes time to build a Championship-quality team, and even if you want to say it's not a plan, I'd still argue that what they've done is closer to a 'plan' than what the Flames have executed over the same period of time.

Now excuse me as I go vomit this Oilers historical data out of my mind.

[indes]

I said in the first 3 games that the Panthers 1-2-2 was dominating the Oilers breakout and causing turnovers. The Oilers have adjusted and have all their wingers coming back off the boards - that's why there's so many icings, when the forward misses the off board clear. Florida hasn't adjusted at all and keeps dumping and chasing down the wall. Florida needs to either move to a 2-1-2 or to a 1-3-1. Not sure why Paul isn't adjusting to the Oilers' different breakout. Their D didn't suddenly get better, they're just blindly throwing it in a different direction.

Throw it up 6' off the boards, collapse if Florida gets it. That's the Oilers' D system. Neutral zone trap would give them absolute fits, or for a more aggressive approach, sending 2 deep against their bottom 2 pairings with the D hanging back for the stretch would also neutralize a lot of their speed against the bottom lines.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching Paul make no adjustments.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The way Montour crashed into Bob on the first goal of game 4, I'm beginning to think Bob was injured on that play and has been playing through the injury ever since.

I also think the Panthers are so scared to take a penalty, they are playing tentatively as a result. Much like the 2022 Flames.

Dunno if he's hurt but he definitely has not performed like the first 3 games. It may just be the dam burst after he made a bunch of great saves to start the series.

But he's not alone in underperforming. The rest of the team is not playing well. The forecheck is gone, the passing is off and they seem to be timid.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I hope the Oilers lose, so all the bandwagon fans can use my slogan on marketplace to sell their jersey.

"New never won"

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Okay.

Calgary Draft History:
2000: 9th
2001: 14th
2002: 10th
2003: 9th
2004: 24th
2005: 26th
2006: 26th
2007: 24th
2008: 25th
2009: 23rd
2010: No pick
2011: 13th
2012: 21st
2013: 6th
2014: 4th
2015: No pick
2016: 6th
2017: 16th
2018: No pick
2019: 26th
2020: 24th
2021: 13th
2022: No pick
2023: 16th

The Flames made the playoffs 10 times since the 1999-2000 season, and have won 5 series in that time (6 if you want to count that qualifying round during the shutdown). Over the course of the last 24 drafts, the Flames have made 20 1st round picks with an average position of 16.75

Edmonton Draft History:
2000: 17th
2001: 13th
2002: 15th
2003: 22nd
2004: 14th
2005: 25th
2006: No pick
2007: 6th
2008: 22nd
2009: 10th
2010: 1st
2011: 1st
2012: 1st
2013: 7th
2014: 3rd
2015: 1st
2016: 4th
2017: 22nd
2018: 10th
2019: 8th
2020: 14th
2021: 22nd
2022: 32nd
2023: No Pick

The Oilers made the playoffs 10 times since the 1999-2000 season, and have won 9 series in that time. Over the course of the last 24 drafts, the Oilers have made 22 1st round picks with an average position of 12.27

So if the Oilers walked around the desert for 5 years, just what in the hell were the Flames doing that was in any way better?

I'm not making the Oilers out to be the best run team in the world, and I've dumped on them plenty - but the Flames have been worse, so if you're dumping on the Oilers...well, what about the Flames? The Oilers have made the Stanley Cup Final twice in 19 years, meanwhile the Flames have made it once in the last 35 years. From 2000-Current, the Flames won 910 regular season games and the Oilers won 848 regular season games, while the Flames won 38 playoff games and the Oilers have won 56 playoff games.

You note it took the Oilers 9 years (2015 -> 2024) - it took the Avalanche the exact same number of years to make it there after they drafted MacKinnon (2013 -> 2022). It took Tampa 12 years (2008 -> 2020).

It takes time to build a Championship-quality team, and even if you want to say it's not a plan, I'd still argue that what they've done is closer to a 'plan' than what the Flames have executed over the same period of time.

Now excuse me as I go vomit this Oilers historical data out of my mind.

I stand firm, I believe they were tanking. They were even bragging about the caliber of players that they had acquired through the draft, I even recall it mentioned, I believe it was MacTavish at the time that they had a secret plan.

A lot of times they didn't just fire somebody they give them a promotion and just moved them around in the office somewhere.

People say they were that bad that they sucked and got all those firsts, but I think that was part of the plan because they wanted to build another 1980s team.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Okay.

Calgary Draft History:
2000: 9th
2001: 14th
2002: 10th
2003: 9th
2004: 24th
2005: 26th
2006: 26th
2007: 24th
2008: 25th
2009: 23rd
2010: No pick
2011: 13th
2012: 21st
2013: 6th
2014: 4th
2015: No pick
2016: 6th
2017: 16th
2018: No pick
2019: 26th
2020: 24th
2021: 13th
2022: No pick
2023: 16th

The Flames made the playoffs 10 times since the 1999-2000 season, and have won 5 series in that time (6 if you want to count that qualifying round during the shutdown). Over the course of the last 24 drafts, the Flames have made 20 1st round picks with an average position of 16.75

Edmonton Draft History:
2000: 17th
2001: 13th
2002: 15th
2003: 22nd
2004: 14th
2005: 25th
2006: No pick
2007: 6th
2008: 22nd
2009: 10th
2010: 1st
2011: 1st
2012: 1st
2013: 7th
2014: 3rd
2015: 1st
2016: 4th
2017: 22nd
2018: 10th
2019: 8th
2020: 14th
2021: 22nd
2022: 32nd
2023: No Pick

The Oilers made the playoffs 10 times since the 1999-2000 season, and have won 9 series in that time. Over the course of the last 24 drafts, the Oilers have made 22 1st round picks with an average position of 12.27

So if the Oilers walked around the desert for 5 years, just what in the hell were the Flames doing that was in any way better?

I'm not making the Oilers out to be the best run team in the world, and I've dumped on them plenty - but the Flames have been worse, so if you're dumping on the Oilers...well, what about the Flames? The Oilers have made the Stanley Cup Final twice in 19 years, meanwhile the Flames have made it once in the last 35 years. From 2000-Current, the Flames won 910 regular season games and the Oilers won 848 regular season games, while the Flames won 38 playoff games and the Oilers have won 56 playoff games.

You note it took the Oilers 9 years (2015 -> 2024) - it took the Avalanche the exact same number of years to make it there after they drafted MacKinnon (2013 -> 2022). It took Tampa 12 years (2008 -> 2020).

It takes time to build a Championship-quality team, and even if you want to say it's not a plan, I'd still argue that what they've done is closer to a 'plan' than what the Flames have executed over the same period of time.

Now excuse me as I go vomit this Oilers historical data out of my mind.

I did the math and I have the flames average pick being 21 in that same period. Which is significant.

I am also not that good at math so

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[butterfly]

On the bright side, the goaltending argument is over. Why waste money on it if Adin Hill won and Stuart Skinner is a game away.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by indes

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching Paul make no adjustments.

You're not the only one. I don't get it. Not only have they refused to make on ice adjustments, the whole "ho hum everything is fine don't change anything" routine isn't working psychologically. They actually needed to get angry and panic 2 games ago instead of pretending everything was fine. Now they are in deep trouble.

I can't imagine the pressure in that dressing room right now. They have to somehow get their heads on right if they want to stand a chance in game 7.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Edmonton Draft History:
2000: 17th
2001: 13th
2002: 15th
2003: 22nd
2004: 14th
2005: 25th
2006: No pick
2007: 6th
2008: 22nd
2009: 10th
2010: 1st
2011: 1st
2012: 1st
2013: 7th
2014: 3rd
2015: 1st
2016: 4th
2017: 22nd
2018: 10th
2019: 8th
2020: 14th
2021: 22nd
2022: 32nd
2023: No Pick

In a 7 year span they picked as high or higher than we ever have 6 times.

Lump in the fact we lost Guadreau for nothing and traded Tkachuk for 29 year olds it shouldn’t come as any big surprise we are where we are.

I think Conroy has us on the right track and wants a foundation built upon young players that we draft or trade for swapping out older guys.