Edmonton is No Good VI: Chia•den•freu•de

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Locke

That was a good time. I remember watching that and wondering if it was a joke.

And yet here we are...

Still laughing. We live in good times.

[CanadaMatt]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Seriously?

Brayden Point is a 22 year old, Calgary born, elite well rounded, defensively skilled RFA center who has 26G 31A 57pts in 43 games with an average ice time of 18:25.

You want to trade him for a 21 year old, $12.5 million speed skating center who has 24G 39A 63pts in 42 games with an average ice time of 22:43 .

Point has all of the value here.

You make some good points.

Subjectively, I’d wonder how much help Point gets on those stats from his quality line mates versus the clowns McDavid has to carry every night

Objectively, I would assume as fact that the oilers make a bucketload of cash from the name McDavid (jerseys, sponsorships etc...), the Point name wouldn’t replicate this.

I respect your argument though, but I wouldn’t be trading McDavid for Point,

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

You are way out to lunch on this take

No.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

You make some good points.

Subjectively, I’d wonder how much help Point gets on those stats from his quality line mates versus the clowns McDavid has to carry every night

Objectively, I would assume as fact that the oilers make a bucketload of cash from the name McDavid (jerseys, sponsorships etc...), the Point name wouldn’t replicate this.

I respect your argument though, but I wouldn’t be trading McDavid for Point,

What? Hes played a few games with Zack Kassian riding shotgun, what more could he ask for?

[CanadaMatt]

Originally Posted by Locke

What? Hes played a few games with Zack Kassian riding shotgun, what more could he ask for?

I stand corrected!

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

You make some good points.

Subjectively, I’d wonder how much help Point gets on those stats from his quality line mates versus the clowns McDavid has to carry every night

Objectively, I would assume as fact that the oilers make a bucketload of cash from the name McDavid (jerseys, sponsorships etc...), the Point name wouldn’t replicate this.

I respect your argument though, but I wouldn’t be trading McDavid for Point,

The Point name would still make them as much of a bucketload of cash as McDavid because they'd now be winning games.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

If you're going to make a trade, it should be for Draisaitl. Becuase he's being paid like a #1 C and still hasn't even established that he can run a second line. Though, the lack of talent to work with does not help.

Draisaitl is a good player, but that cap hit would hurt the return that would come back for him. $8.5 million for a guy that still hasn’t proven he can drive his own line? The return would definitely be underwhelming for the Oilers.

A lot of teams would love McDavid, but as Textcritic points out, salary cap considerations really make it hard to get a big return back. Salary cap in/out has to at least somewhat balance, which makes it hard to have more than 1 “great” player coming back. Teams with 2 “great” players that would plausibly work in a cap balance scenario (I.e. have good value contracts), probably don’t want to trade those two players for McDavid.

Like Textcritic said, a top line forward, a second line forward/second pair D, and a couple picks is really all you could expect back - and then, teams that would make that deal are likely to be better teams, so the picks couldn’t be high first round picks anyway.

[CanadaMatt]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

The Point name would still make them as much of a bucketload of cash as McDavid because they'd now be winning games.

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It was Kevin Lowe, and it was half of them.

Thanks so much for posting that... I was looking for it.


And.... that was before McDavid, so right after they drafted him... the Oilers were in great shape - they just won the hockey lottery, which should have produced a Stanley Cup in the near term - or at least propelled them into the conference finals or cup finals. But... this management team has pissed all that away.


Think about it..... (thanks Plett25)


Gave up: Hall, Eberle, Cagguila, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 6th

Acquired: Chiarelli, Larsson, Spooner, Manning, Petrovic, Reinhart

Thats just poor management - if they fired all of them - if they could reverse all the deals that Chiarelli made and keep the 2nd round pick it cost them to acquire him.... and draft in just the 50th percentile of teams, then they'd have something BIG.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It was Kevin Lowe, and it was half of them.

"I think it's safe to say that half the General Managers in the National Hockey League would trade their roster for our roster right now. And in terms of the group that messed things up, you're talking about the group that had a team one period away from winning the Stanley Cup."

Reporter: "Seven years ago."

"And you know the cycle of that. You know that we chased a dream for a few years—for our fanbase, like a lot of teams do. And then at some point in that time frame we realized that's a bad plan, and we made a change we're finishing year three of that plan. Now, are you saying to me that you are getting impatient after three years?

"And lastly, I'll say there's one other guy, I believe, in hockey today who is still working in the game that has won more Stanley Cups than me. So, I think I know a little bit about winning if there is ever a concern."

This was part of the amazing press conference in 2013 when Craig MacTavish was introduced as the Oilers's GM. To this day I think it remains my single favourite moment in Oilers history.

Now think about that... This was in 2013, "three years into the new plan."

It's 2019.

God that is glorious. Esp. with Crash MacTipsy saying they suck because of 5 cups in the 80s/90s

[GioforPM]

If Mackinnon is truly unhappy, you could conceivably work something out with the Avs for McDavid.

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If Mackinnon is truly unhappy, you could conceivably work something out with the Avs for McDavid.

I don't think he's THAT unhappy.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

God that is glorious. Esp. with Crash MacTipsy saying they suck because of 5 cups in the 80s/90s

Out of all the ridiculous things said in that presser (Lowe claiming his wins as a plug defenseman count for anything, "spreading our message", completely unnecessarily dividing fans into tiers, roster for roster trades), that truly is the most unbelievable. Cyclical nature of the business? Those cups were like 25 years before that presser, that's a complete overturn of the players in the league in that point. What an absolute joke haha, but it did serve two purposes in giving the team an excuse and a subtle callback to the good ol' days of 5 cups in the safe and warm 80s. Lowe should have been fired right then and there, if I'm Katz I say I better never hear you guys use championships won a quarter of century ago as an excuse ever again.

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

I don't think he's THAT unhappy.

OMG.... that's funny.


Talk about going from unhappy to totally depressed, seeking professional medical help and going on medication unhappy.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

...This was part of the amazing press conference in 2013 when Craig MacTavish was introduced as the Oilers's GM. To this day I think it remains my single favourite moment in Oilers history...

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

And over the last 5 years half the league has.

I was inspired by this to forecast this year's season ending press conference, when Craig MacTavish is introduced as the Oilers new General Manager ... again:

Craig MacTavish: "Well I think anytime you win five Stanley Cups there's a certain amount of mess that comes on the tail end of all that success. it can fester for upwards of 25-years. It's the cyclical nature of the business; we are entering year 29 of that cycle. We kind of semi-jokingly talk about the price we're still paying for all that success in the eighties and the early nineties that still has a residual effect over where we are right now. It's like paying down a forty-year mortgage. But the fact of the matter is that it's really not about yesterday. It's about pretending that tomorrow is yesterday. Maybe there are some sceptics out there—there are going to be in this business—you don't take a position like I'm taking again for the second time in nine years with rose-coloured glasses on. This time, I'm wearing blinders. It's not for the faint of heart. You know, I walk in here completely understanding of the situation that's in front of me, and by that I mean that I don't have the first ####ing clue about what I am doing. I'm not looking at what's happened in the past—where I've come form in the past, and where I came from after that, but my sole objective is to come in here and add something to the future of this club again.

"And I don't know—I mean, maybe you guys have a different opinion—but I don't know that I failed this organization the last time, or the time before that in any of those regards before, in any of those decisions, or the jobs I have taken with this organization in the past. So, I mean, again, I get back to what we say today has very little bearing on how I am going to be evaluated as we go forward—what are evaluations, anyway? I look forward to the challenge of the job, and I'm going to turn this team around. Again. This time, it's for realsies."

Kevin Lowe: "I think it's safe to say that half the General Managers in the National Hockey League would still trade their roster for Connor McDavid right now. And in terms of the group that messed things up, you're talking about the group that had a team one period away from winning the Stanley Cup, and then won four draft lotteries."

Reporter: "Thirteen years ago."

Lowe: "And you know the cycle of that. You know that we chased a dream for a few years, then many years—for our fanbase, like a lot of teams do. The Oilers just do all that chasing better, and longer than anyone else. Then at some point in that time frame we realized that's a bad plan, and we made a change, and that plan didn't work, so we won another lottery, and we're finishing year four of that plan. Now, are you saying to me that you are getting impatient after thirteen years, four general managers, eight coaches, three rebuilds and a new building?

"And lastly, I'll say there's one other guy, I believe, in hockey today who is still working in the game that has won more Stanley Cups than me. I could be wrong, but no one outside of Edmonton talks to me anymore. So, I think I know a little bit about winning if there is ever a concern. Winning Cups. Winning lotteries. That's a lot of winning."

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If Mackinnon is truly unhappy, you could conceivably work something out with the Avs for McDavid.

That would show him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

I don't think he's THAT unhappy.

True. But maybe management is with his outburst. He doesn't have a NTC yet.

[dirk diggler]

that's another thing if you wanted to trade McDavid, so many player have NTC now and nobody is waiving that to go to Edmonton, even with that glorious mall

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Now, are you saying to me that you are getting impatient after thirteen years, four general managers, eight coaches, three rebuilds and a new building?

hahaha this is great.

[Alpha_Q]

Trading McHasselhof would (will) be a deal that involves more than the on ice product. It will be a trade between owners. If we look at the closet possible comparable - the Gretzky trade - there was a significant cash exchange as well. McNall and the Kings paid 15 million, and that is just what history knows about that trade. One can only imagine the backdoor deals between McNall and Pocklington, one a criminal, the other... more careful?

So what would have to happen for Katz to trade McFaustino? As long as the Oil faithful continue to buy merchandise, buy tickets and shove Bobby Nick burgers into their face-holes, why bother with a decent on ice product?

They will trade him, 'tho, and we'll know it's coming, when the Oiler media tur - I almost said 'turns' - when the Oiler media is directed to turn on McDavid, preparing the city for a poor return in exchange for an overpriced, sulking, albeit talented dressing-room cancer.