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Old 07-24-2025, 10:16 AM   #5941
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Feels like Conroy overplayed his hand, and the suitors moved on.
Feels like Conroy played it perfectly and we have more suitors than before…
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Old 07-24-2025, 10:25 AM   #5942
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Feels like Conroy played it perfectly and we have more suitors than before…
I think it's inevitable that every GM is going to set a price, not get it met, and then have to adjust.

If it happens every time you have a valuation issue.

But I think overall it's good for the market to see that the team sets a price and sticks to it as a rule as you likely get that and more enough to make the process worthwhile.

Imagine rooting for a team that panics and takes the best offer at a moment in time because they felt the deal would go down at say the draft but was in jeopardy of not happening?
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Old 07-24-2025, 10:47 AM   #5943
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If you always get your asking price, you aren't asking enough
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Old 07-24-2025, 10:56 AM   #5944
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If you always get your asking price, you aren't asking enough
Nothing worse than being booked on your first offer unless you know you’re cheap
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Old 07-24-2025, 11:12 AM   #5945
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Mike Matheson is a perfect target for the Flames. Top pairing left handed shot that shouldn't come at a high cost.

Montreal needs to shed some salary. Matheson would look really good playing along with any of the RHD in the lineup in the top two pairings. Excellent PP QB too.
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Old 07-24-2025, 11:17 AM   #5946
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Zero interest in spending any assets on a 31 year old pending UFA that isn't very good defensively. I'd take Matheson for free but Montreal also isn't going to just give him away either.

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Feels like Conroy overplayed his hand, and the suitors moved on.
Not really. Andersson is holding this up. But yes, we should have sold him a season ago.
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Old 07-24-2025, 11:28 AM   #5948
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Craig set a price, he’ll get it.
If that’s now before the season, great and it’s my preference.
But surely at the deadline he’ll get a haul too.

Balls in Andersson’s court, it’s a matter of time.
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Old 07-24-2025, 11:29 AM   #5949
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At this point I'll be surprised if Ras gets traded before the season starts.

If that happens it'll be interesting to see what happens near the TDL if the Flames are in the hunt for a playoff spot again.
I agree the biggest pressure deadline to force a Trae is now the TDL. By I really hope this trade happens (with a good return) this summer. Removes the distraction and removes the indecision during the season. Would like to see how well the team does with Parekh on the roster and Andersson traded. If they struggle, it’s likely growing pains and a poor finish to the season would mean a good draft pick. If they excel even without Andersson, it’s an indication the new wave of defence (Parekh/Bahl/Brz) is likely further along than many would have thought.
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Old 07-24-2025, 11:30 AM   #5950
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Craig set a price, he’ll get it.
If that’s now before the season, great and it’s my preference.
But surely at the deadline he’ll get a haul too.

Balls in Andersson’s court, it’s a matter of time.
Do you mean the price has been met by a team and it just takes Andersson willing to sign with the team for it to get done now?
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Old 07-24-2025, 11:36 AM   #5951
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There is a lot of activity right now more so then normal. I like my summers too….
Just want to be clear, wasn’t a shot at you or anyone else on the board.

There were a lot of people saying there was going ti be so much activity and it didn’t pan out.

Appreciate you, Royle, Dis, Oilfan and others who I may have forgot. Keeps us sane (well, most of us) during the lulls
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Bahl's in Andersson’s court
Didn't know they played squash! Nice
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Does anyone know if and how waiting with the Andersson trade affects other potential trades the Flames might be juggling?

For example it seems that the Flames need to trade a depth D, or potentially lose a couple of D on waivers when they set their roster to start the year.

Another type of deal that might happen is trading a middle 6 winger for futures and or help on D. For example, the Andersson trade could potentially bring even more bodies(Robertson) that need a spot in the already crowded forward ranks, while leaving a gaping hole on D.

There are just so many potential follow up trades, that would be best made before training camp starts.
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Old 07-24-2025, 12:08 PM   #5954
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Does anyone know if and how waiting with the Andersson trade affects other potential trades the Flames might be juggling?
To me this lack of activity league-wide feels like there's multiple teams with positional needs & limited cap space that are circling around to potential suitors and trying to work out a deal, and teams (like Calgary) trying to weaponize cap space that could potentially be needed in said deals.

That's likely just the optimist in me hoping that something will happen though.
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Craig set a price, he’ll get it.
If that’s now before the season, great and it’s my preference.
But surely at the deadline he’ll get a haul too.

Balls in Andersson’s court, it’s a matter of time.
In his court to waive his NTC or in his court to potentially sign an extension with a trade partner?
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Old 07-24-2025, 12:29 PM   #5956
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Mike Matheson is a perfect target for the Flames. Top pairing left handed shot that shouldn't come at a high cost.

Montreal needs to shed some salary. Matheson would look really good playing along with any of the RHD in the lineup in the top two pairings. Excellent PP QB too.
Too bad we don’t have a young offensive dman we can use to the PP, so we have to spend assets for an older guy who lost his PP time to a young offensive dman who won the Calder.
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Old 07-24-2025, 12:38 PM   #5957
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The easiest way for Montreal to shed salary is to attach a draft pick to Carey Price contract and trade it. Higher draft pick if you acquire him before September 1 when his $5.5 million bonus is paid out. He is owed $2 million in real salary not sure if it is covered by insurance or not. Craig Conroy should be interested Flames have lots of cap space.
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Old 07-24-2025, 12:39 PM   #5958
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Craig set a price, he’ll get it.
If that’s now before the season, great and it’s my preference.
But surely at the deadline he’ll get a haul too.

Balls in Andersson’s court, it’s a matter of time.
I think it needs to be this summer. IMO way too much is put into asset management from the perspective of what you get, not managing what assets you already have. Also too much put stock put into asset management over the over all plan.

Ras departure will be someone else's gain.

If the plan is 100% not to re-sign Ras, trade him now and give someone else that crack.

Can anyone really say offer A will end up being better than offer B? If the offer is close, now is the time and nobody can guarantee anything. The Flames once traded Joe Nieuwendyk and demanded Todd Harvey in the deal only to settle on Jarome Iginla. Is every 2nd round pick we select better than every 3rd round pick we make? Lottery protection from a top end team really a big deal?

If the offers are close, play hardball for now but I really think he should be gone Sept 1 if the plan is 100% to move on. The development of a current prospect and the distraction gone is just as valuable in managing assets than getting an extra 2nd vs a 3rd.
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Old 07-24-2025, 12:42 PM   #5959
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Depends on if the offers are close.
I think if it really was close enough the deal would be done.
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Old 07-24-2025, 12:56 PM   #5960
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Depends on if the offers are close.
I think if it really was close enough the deal would be done.
But the demand vs the offer might not appear that close but really a lot of time it gets overstated what the difference really is.

Flames want Bischel and #1 Dallas 2027
Stars offer Bertucci and 2 2nds.

Flames demand seems to be quite a bit more in this scenario. But getting a 2nd in 2026 and 2027 is close to as valuable as the 1st in 2027. I would be shocked if the Stars 1st is high enough to make a difference. 2 2nds in 2 years covers for weak drafts vs strong drafts. The extra bullet gives you more opportunity to hit on a prospect. Picks outside the top 20 vs picks in the 50-60 range only hit about 2% higher. I would easily prefer Bischel over Bertucci, but both are good prospects and Ras gone gives Parekh, Kuznetsov, Morin, Hunter B, Porier all more opportunity throughout the year as well.

Risk of injuries is gone as well. IMO that is worth the extra couple percent you might get on that 1st vs 2 2nds especially when the hit rate is around 5%.
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