2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dammage79]

I like that trade from the Rangers. If that can happen it should happen.

But, it's rare good ideas from the media ever come to fruition.

[Sandman]

Hanifin for Kakko AND Lindkvist, and some are still saying no? Kakko is making improvements every year, and had a big second half last year, ending up at almost .5 ppg. He would be the perfect RW to put with Kadri and Mang. His best days are ahead of him, and he’s big (6’3”), and can skate.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Hanifin for Kakko AND Lindkvist, and some are still saying no? Kakko is making improvements every year, and had a big second half last year, ending up at almost .5 ppg. He would be the perfect RW to put with Kadri and Mang. His best days are ahead of him, and he’s big (6’3”), and can skate.

Honest question, can we afford Kakko, cap wise?

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Hanifin for Kakko AND Lindkvist, and some are still saying no? Kakko is making improvements every year, and had a big second half last year, ending up at almost .5 ppg. He would be the perfect RW to put with Kadri and Mang. His best days are ahead of him, and he’s big (6’3”), and can skate.

At this point the Flames need to be making moves that inarguably make them an immediate better team this season and next, not moves that make them potentially worse in the short term just because they're young sexy names.

This proposal has the Flames trading a top pairing D-man for what is hopefully a great middle 6 forward addition and a bottom pairing D-man that's not even proven to be a full-time NHL D-men yet.

Makes zero sense for the Flames, a team that's trying to win NOW, unless they have a plan in place to use that extra cap space on another big addition, that basically makes the trade Kakko + Lundkvist + player acquired with the cap space for Hanifin.

Sure you can say the value is there in that proposal, but trading Hanifin for those 2 players alone without another move in place is a great way to reduce the Flames' Stanley Cup odds in the near future.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Honest question, can we afford Kakko, cap wise?

Of course, Hanifin makes $2M a year more.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Honest question, can we afford Kakko, cap wise?

Yup. The pair combined make a bit more than 3/4s of his cap hit.

2.1m nd 950k compared to Hanifins 4.95.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Honest question, can we afford Kakko, cap wise?

We’ll decisions will have to be made either way after this upcoming season when Weegar’s and Huby’s new contracts go into effect. But Kakko is signed for the next two seasons at $2.1mil, whereas Hanifin makes close to $5 mil. I would think it’s doable?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Bleacher report had 5 trades they proposed, I would definitely be for the Flames deal. Rangers get Hanifin and Flames get Kakko and Lundkvist. Love Hanifin but I would do that.
Bleacher Report: 5 Bold Trade Predictions Ahead of the 2022-23 NHL Season.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-23-nhl-season

I think that would be a good rebuilding trade, but neither Kakko nor Lundkvist can be expected to be big contributors next season based on their production up to now.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think that would be a good rebuilding trade, but neither Kakko nor Lundkvist can be expected to be big contributors next season based on their production up to now.

Same thing was said at the Lindholm trade. Seemed to work just fine. And yes that was technically a rebuild trade on a rebuild trade which is kind of what the Flames are doing right now as well

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

At this point the Flames need to be making moves that inarguably make them an immediate better team this season and next, not moves that make them potentially worse in the short term just because they're young sexy names.

This proposal has the Flames trading a top pairing D-man for what is hopefully a great middle 6 forward addition and a bottom pairing D-man that's not even proven to be a full-time NHL D-men yet.

Makes zero sense for the Flames, a team that's trying to win NOW, unless they have a plan in place to use that extra cap space on another big addition, that basically makes the trade Kakko + Lundkvist + player acquired with the cap space for Hanifin.

Sure you can say the value is there in that proposal, but trading Hanifin for those 2 players alone without another move in place is a great way to reduce the Flames' Stanley Cup odds in the near future.

I respectfully disagree. Kakko was on the cusp of .5 ppg, on the strength of a strong second half. He’s ready for another step, and he could easily surpass or equal whatever production a guy like Dube will muster up this year-and we don’t talk about getting rid of him. We have a huge surplus of NHL ready defensemen, and we could use a top-9 RW. I’m looking for KK to approach 50 pts this year. All just my opinion.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I respectfully disagree. Kakko was on the cusp of .5 ppg, on the strength of a strong second half. He’s ready for another step, and he could easily surpass or equal whatever production a guy like Dube will muster up this year-and we don’t talk about getting rid of him. We have a huge surplus of NHL ready defensemen, and we could use a top-9 RW. I’m looking for KK to approach 50 pts this year. All just my opinion.

That's fair, but even then, you're trading out a 50 point D-man for a 50 point forward & a decent defensive prospect that has meh NHL results so far.

I'd personally rather do the suggested Hanifin for Garland trade (a much better forward than Kakko on an amazing contract), which I also wasn't a fan of from the Flames' perspective.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

That's fair, but even then, you're trading out a 50 point D-man for a 50 point forward & a decent defensive prospect that has meh NHL results so far.

I'd personally rather do the suggested Hanifin for Garland trade (a much better forward than Kakko on an amazing contract), which I also wasn't a fan of from the Flames' perspective.

He’s a 50 pt defenseman who will likely see a drop in production with Weegar’s arrival, and might be seeing second pairing duties this year. If he is traded, Kylington takes his spot on the second pairing where he was last year, and is good for 40 pts. Plus, take into account Hanifin’s performance on the playoffs. If you get KK, he won’t be a 50 pt winger for long.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

That's fair, but even then, you're trading out a 50 point D-man for a 50 point forward & a decent defensive prospect that has meh NHL results so far.

I'd personally rather do the suggested Hanifin for Garland trade (a much better forward than Kakko on an amazing contract), which I also wasn't a fan of from the Flames' perspective.

You don't seriously think Garland has a higher ceiling than Kakko do you? Kakko has the talent to end up as a 1st line RW. At worst his offensive ability is Garland.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You don't seriously think Garland has a higher ceiling than Kakko do you? Kakko has the talent to end up as a 1st line RW. At worst his offensive ability is Garland.

Garland vs Kakko at 5v5 last season among forwards that played 500 minutes:

- Points per 60: 2.62 (25th) vs 1.58 (214th)
- Goals per 60: 0.95 (96th) vs 0.63 (240th)
- First Assists per 60: 1.12 (21st) vs 0.42 (272nd)
- Total Assists per 60: 1.67 (23rd) vs 0.95 (186th)

They're not even comparable offensively at the moment lol so yea... don't mind me for much preferring the player who scores at first line rates over the player who's a very average 3rd liner by every metric in a timeframe in which the Flames are, again, trying to win NOW.

The Flames aren't in a position to care about Kakko's "potential".

[midniteowl]

I don't know anything about either player, even if Garland == Kakko, I'd preferred trading with the Rangers. First, he'll be out of the Conference and second I don't want to help a divisional opponent.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You don't seriously think Garland has a higher ceiling than Kakko do you? Kakko has the talent to end up as a 1st line RW. At worst his offensive ability is Garland.

How can you even say this when Garland has been the far better player than Kakko? I get it, Kakko is young and still has potential. But, come on. A lot of people are on the Kakko juice still. Ridiculous of you ask me.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Same thing was said at the Lindholm trade. Seemed to work just fine. And yes that was technically a rebuild trade on a rebuild trade which is kind of what the Flames are doing right now as well

The Flames are not rebuilding. They re-tooled because they were forced to, but didn't trade current production for future potential, which would be rebuilding.

Lindholm also had a decent track record when he was acquired. He was seen as a player that could contribute immediately. It was fortuitous circumstance that his offense increased quickly, but even the status quo from him would have still made it a good deal for the Flames at the time. If Kakko were to be acquired and had the same production as he has had, that would be a bad deal. For the Flames to win the deal, he would really need to step it up. Which he might, but assuming he will doesn't seem like a sound strategy for a team which wants a window right now.

[Macindoc]

I wouldn’t trade a 50 point defenceman for anything less than an 80 point winger, at least not straight up. There’s a large gap in the value of the two positions and in the average points scored by each. And the Flames are not in the market for futures, they’re in the market for affordable top six RW talent that can help in the next two seasons.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Garland vs Kakko at 5v5 last season among forwards that played 500 minutes:

- Points per 60: 2.62 (25th) vs 1.58 (214th)
- Goals per 60: 0.95 (96th) vs 0.63 (240th)
- First Assists per 60: 1.12 (21st) vs 0.42 (272nd)
- Total Assists per 60: 1.67 (23rd) vs 0.95 (186th)

They're not even comparable offensively at the moment lol so yea... don't mind me for much preferring the player who scores at first line rates over the player who's a very average 3rd liner by every metric in a timeframe in which the Flames are, again, trying to win NOW.

The Flames aren't in a position to care about Kakko's "potential".

When has Garland ever scored at 1st line rates? He will never score at that tier, he is a 2nd line RW at best and more suited for the 3rd line. Kakko has a superstar 1st line ceiling. He will definitely be outperforming Garland at the same age. Yes, the Flames are trying to win now but most projections have both these players at about the same point total this year, the difference being Kakko is going to get better, much better. Anyone who would take Connor Garland over Kakko is smoking something. Also, the window to win for the Flames is longer than just this year.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

When has Garland ever scored at 1st line rates? He will never score at that tier, he is a 2nd line RW at best and more suited for the 3rd line. Kakko has a superstar 1st line ceiling. He will definitely be outperforming Garland at the same age. Yes, the Flames are trying to win now but most projections have both these players at about the same point total this year, the difference being Kakko is going to get better, much better. Anyone who would take Connor Garland over Kakko is smoking something. Also, the window to win for the Flames is longer than just this year.

First bold: Lol so you're just going to ignore Garland's first-line scoring rates that you're responding to?

Total 5v5 points last season among ALL players:

Garland: 33 (tied for 28th in the NHL)

Kakko: 15 (tied for... *goes way down the list* ... 413th)

Second bold: Lmao thanks for the good laugh. So Garland, who is a #1 or #2 scoring forward in every metric, is a "2nd line RW at best and more suited for the 3rd line", but Kakko, who can't even hold Garland's jock strap when it comes to offensive production, will not only score as many points as Garland next season, but also has "superstar 1st line ceiling"

Yea, okay.