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Old 12-21-2018, 09:48 PM   #5901
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The real question -- and no joke -- is why would Calgary trade Janko or Dube for Danault???


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I know what Couturier is. But you said "closest thing WE have to Bergeron"
Oh sorry bad wording on my part. I mean as hockey fans the closest thing in the league right now.
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Anyone think Couturier could be had? 4 more years at 4.33M.

Maybe something like Dube, Frolik, Kylington, 1st would do it?

Jonny - Mony - Lindy
Tkachuk - Couturier - Bennett
Ryan - Backlund - Neal
Czarnik - Janko - Hathaway
Why would you want Couturier when Backlund fills the same roll and is a much better player?
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Why would you want Couturier when Backlund fills the same roll and is a much better player?

And to pay that price to boot.
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Old 12-22-2018, 12:01 AM   #5905
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Why would you want Couturier when Backlund fills the same roll and is a much better player?
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And to pay that price to boot.
Lmfao Couturier would be a huge upgrade over Backlund. He's a selke candidate. I love Backs but yeesh. And if Philly accepts that price for Couturier u take it and run. He is a centre that can get u a cup.
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Couturier is both better and younger than Backlund. Not close.
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Why would you want Couturier when Backlund fills the same roll and is a much better player?
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Couturier is both better and younger than Backlund. Not close.

But is he Dube, Frolik, Kylington AND 1st better?
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Didn’t Couturier put up 70+ points last season...?
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But is he Dube, Frolik, Kylington AND 1st better?
Yes he is. How would u feel if someone offered that package for Monahan? Frankly thats a garbage package for Monahan.
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Old 12-22-2018, 04:28 AM   #5910
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Not sure why philly would even consider trading couturier. If they did it would cost us multiple 1sts st least.
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Schenn is not coming to Calgary. Get over it. Our cap situation does not allow us to take on a $5M+ salary. Not now, and not inthe future when they have Tkachuk to sign. This is a team that needs quality cost controlled players like Jankowski so we can afford the stars we have and not be a mediocre team with budget issues.
With the cap going up and including stone in the deal we can easily afford schenn for the next two years and still sign tkachuk. That's one of the main benefits of doing something for schenn.
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Why would you want Couturier when Backlund fills the same roll and is a much better player?
You may want to do a little research on Couturier before you give an opinion like this.
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Old 12-22-2018, 07:52 AM   #5913
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So I'm just throwing the idea out there but this is what I would be okay with.

Gilles
Dube/Janko
Stone
Frolik
2020 1st
2021 2nd *Conditional 2021 1st if Calgary makes the West Final.

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Carey Price
Phillip Danault
Victor Mete
So, Calgary ships out $9.4M in salary, then takes on $14.5M in return? Have you looked at the cap situation? We have less than $750K available, which is why Treliving is playing games with the call ups. Every dollar matters at this point. The rest of the deal looks bad for Calgary long term. They give away two young cost controlled assets they need to keep the budget in line. To make matters worse, they give up two more draft picks they desperately need to keep the system stocked with those cost controlled players going forward.



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Calgary gets Price in net, Danault who is a steady 6'1 3rd line center. And Victor Mete as a 6/7 defenseman.

A goaltender would be nice, but not without finding a home for Smith. Can you imagine the mayhem this would cause in the dressing room? Bringing in a third head to the goaltending monster? One comes in, one must go out. What makes Danault better than Jankowski at this point? Why would the Flames want to make that deal? Why would the Flames want Victor Mete? They already have substantial depth on the blueline and are better off having a veteran in reserve should the likes of Valimaki, Andersson, and Kylington falter. I get the depth on the blueline angle, but coaches like having that vet to rely on when the games get dicey. I don't see any logic behind this suggestion.
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Old 12-22-2018, 08:50 AM   #5914
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With the cap going up and including stone in the deal we can easily afford schenn for the next two years and still sign tkachuk. That's one of the main benefits of doing something for schenn.
No, we can't. I always laugh when I see people say, "but the cap is going up," thinking that will solve all problems. A small incremental increase in the cap does not address the long term need, not when you're seeing players salaries continue to outpace growth in the cap. You have to look at the whole budget and what demands players are going to have over the next two to five years. So what does that look like? Who's up for a new contract?

2019-2020 has Tkachuk, Bennett, Lomberg, Quine, Hathaway, Prout, Smith, and Rittich all needing new contracts. Not all of them will likely be brought back, but at least three of them will, and all three will get paid, increasing the salary structure substantially. Those other players will likely have to be replaced, especially Smith, and that is going to cost some coin.

So the likely scenario here is a salary structure like this.

Gaudreau ($6.75M) - Monahan ($6.35M) - Lindholm ($4.85M)
Tkachuk ($6.75M) - Backlund ($5.35M) - Neal ($5.75M)
Bennett ($3.0M) - Jankowski ($1.675M) - Frolik ($4.3M)
Dube ($779K) - Ryan ($3.125M) - Czarnik ($1.25M)

Giordano ($6.75M) - Brodie ($4.65M)
Hanafin ($4.95M) - Hamonic ($3.86M)
Andersson ($756K) - Kylington ($731K)
Valimaki ($895K) Stone ($3.5M)

Goaltenders ($5M)

In this model, no extra forward was taken into consideration, but Stone was maintained to capture costs of the extra forward and extra defender and maintaining a 22 man roster. That roster is conservatively priced out and it comes in at over $81M. That's if you get Tkachuk to stick to the Gaudreau/Giordano cap. I do not see how the Flames can add another expensive forward to the mix with any term on his salary. But if they did, what happens the following year?

2020-2021 looks to be a little easier on the team, or does it? Jankowski, Czarnik, Frolik, Brodie, Hamonic, Stone, Andersson, and Kylington all need new contracts. Flames can easily walk away from Czarnik, Frolik and Stone, but the rest are a lot tougher to deal with. The rest are going to need raises, and probably substantial raises, to keep the band together. It's not like some of these players are on the down slope of their careers and you are hoping to dump them. These are guys you would want to keep and will have to pay.

The Flames capologist has his work cut out for him, and it doesn't look like another big contract up front is going help keep the budget under control. If the Flames like Schenn, then you have to move one of Backlund or Neal out. There just isn't any more room for another big salary up front.
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I’d be shocked if both Brodie and Hamonic get re-signed.
Trade one or the other.
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Old 12-22-2018, 09:06 AM   #5916
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I'd be surprised if Tkachuk signed anything at the Flames internal ceiling frankly.

Gaudreau is a steal at the price (Pre Draistl), but post Leon and post Nylander, i'd be pretty shocked if we see anything below 7.25... if BT can get Tkachuk at anything below 7, i would be stunned.
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I'd be surprised if Tkachuk signed anything at the Flames internal ceiling frankly.

Gaudreau is a steal at the price (Pre Draistl), but post Leon and post Nylander, i'd be pretty shocked if we see anything below 7.25... if BT can get Tkachuk at anything below 7, i would be stunned.
So true. Gaudreau would be a 10M player now.
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Couturier is both better and younger than Backlund. Not close.
I don’t think we can fit Couturier into the salary cap next season when Chucky gets 8+ million. Unfortunately the flames are a team close to the cap and will have very little flixibity to add salary, even assuming Stone is traded.
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I don’t think we can fit Couturier into the salary cap next season when Chucky gets 8+ million. Unfortunately the flames are a team close to the cap and will have very little flixibity to add salary, even assuming Stone is traded.
You can as long as salary is moved out or salary is retained. People saying "it can't be done" have no clue.

If two GM's get together and feel the packages on both sides are worth it, anything can get done. Look at the O'Reilly to the Blues trade, the Blues basically traded a bunch of salary dumps and a couple picks for him.
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I’d be shocked if both Brodie and Hamonic get re-signed.
Trade one or the other.
I don’t think you can trade either during this season, that would be foolish. A trade for one is a year down the line at least
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