The New American Politics thread

[peter12]

So is Senator Clay Davis paid by the Clinton campaign? I find his ideological amateur analysis kind of irritating.

Also this just happened:

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-co...server-defence

[nik-]

yeah, I'm not really sure what his deal is with Clinton. A few weeks back he stated that he didn't support anyone, but his posting history in this thread shows quite a different story.

[Fuzz]

It amazes me that there are over 300 million people in the US and these 2 are the best they could come up with to be their leader.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It amazes me that there are over 300 million people in the US and these 2 are the best they could come up with to be their leader.

They aren't. The problem is Elizabeth Warren wouldn't run.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Again, what is there to talk about Clinton? Trump has made it clear he's going to use Benghazi, Emails, Whitewater, Vince Foster, Bill's fun times and other 90s retreads we've already seen before to go after her. We're in for 6 months of things we've seen forever. Forgive me for not wanting to retread a thing that's going to retreaded anyways. She's a terrible candidate...then again, what does that say about her competition that seemingly only Obama could actually beat her? Everyone else has lost to her.

I'm on record that Americans are facing all horrible choices. Hillary is bad, so is Trump, so is Bernie. They continually became more entrenched in the sports team element of politics that we ended up with a professional con man, a pathological liar and someone who idealizes left wing guerrilla groups running for President. I would take Stephen Harper over any of them. Just terrible choices all around, but this election is needed to reset American politics.

Originally Posted by peter12

So is Senator Clay Davis paid by the Clinton campaign? I find his ideological amateur analysis kind of irritating.

Also this just happened:

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-co...server-defence

I just praised you for your excellent trolling last week. Can't even give me a slight compliment back? Come on man...

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Again, what is there to talk about Clinton? Trump has made it clear he's going to use Benghazi, Emails, Whitewater, Vince Foster, Bill's fun times and other 90s retreads we've already seen before to go after her. We're in for 6 months of things we've seen forever. Forgive me for not wanting to retread a thing that's going to retreaded anyways. She's a terrible candidate...then again, what does that say about her competition that seemingly only Obama could actually beat her? Everyone else has lost to her.

I'm on record that Americans are facing all horrible choices. Hillary is bad, so is Trump, so is Bernie. They continually became more entrenched in the sports team element of politics that we ended up with a professional con man, a pathological liar and someone who idealizes left wing guerrilla groups running for President. I would take Stephen Harper over any of them. Just terrible choices all around, but this election is needed to reset American politics.



I just praised you for your excellent trolling last week. Can't even give me a slight compliment back? Come on man...

Your signature is particularly apt here.

[peter12]

Personally, I see Trump as the needed catalyst to end the current paradigm of American politics. Hopefully Yuval Levin is right, and this is the end of the dark era, not the beginning of something worse.

[CaptainCrunch]

So going back to the talk earlier about the Chinese Nuclear Sub program, due to the US Thaad anti-missile defense and America's development of Hypersonic cruise missiles, China feels like they're nuclear deterrence is under threat and is going to begin long term Nuclear Deterrence patrols this year

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/...gNb9&ocid=iehp

Basically this is a big step up in terms of China's Nuclear Program as it mates missiles and war heads together during long term patrols, while this isn't a finger on the trigger scenario, its equivalent to loading the bullets in a gun, chambering a round and disengaging the safety or cocking the hammer.

From a nuclear deterrence point of view, China will basically be going into a 24 hour a day heightened level of readiness in the China Sea.

[socalwingfan]

Bernie is having a rally at the local community college today, people started lining up at 5 AM. Looking at pictures, there are probably 2 - 3 thousand people there already with the rally an hour or 2 still away.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by socalwingfan

Bernie is having a rally at the local community college today, people started lining up at 5 AM. Looking at pictures, there are probably 2 - 3 thousand people there already with the rally an hour or 2 still away.

yeah, but it doesn't really matter. Sanders is finished, unless Clinton gets into legit legal trouble.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by nik-

yeah, but it doesn't really matter. Sanders is finished, unless Clinton gets into legit legal trouble.

The winds are blowing her that way. If she wasn't Bill Clinton's wife, she would have been in a lot more trouble, a lot earlier.

[nik-]

Well obviously if she wasn't a Clinton she'd be done. She has the full support of the party and the celebrity wing of the Democrats.

She's basically winning in spite of her ability to campaign, it's pretty funny. Also sad.

If Joe Biden's son wouldn't have died, Joe probably would have destroyed her.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by nik-

yeah, but it doesn't really matter. Sanders is finished, unless Clinton gets into legit legal trouble.

That is looking more and more likely. Several key former staffers, including her former IT manager, are giving depositions to investigators in the coming week and her campaign has already filed motions to block release of these to the public. "Most transparent" indeed.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-...osition-223583

WSJ has a piece on the type of politics Clinton and the level of honesty that she would bring to the table.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/clintons...ons-1464219303

[peter12]

I think the Republicans are probably betting a bit too heavily on the email scandal. I am not sure it would tell Americans anything that they don't already know. No, this election is more about tribes than anything else.

[Fuzz]

Ya, maybe they should go back to hammering on Benghazi again. That was fun.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by nik-

yeah, but it doesn't really matter. Sanders is finished, unless Clinton gets into legit legal trouble.

I would agree with this in a lot of ways. Frankly Sanders is the wacky insane uncle that usually shouldn't even get a look see at the democratic nomination, because his campaign is at best populist sentiment mixed with crazy occupy literature and he can't explain how he would execute it beyond growlin, "we'll make the fat cats in New York pay for it"

In Canadian terms he's the Jack Layton of the Democratic party and he can say whatever he wants because its unlikely that he survives a general election.

His whole thing is the I want a contested convention so I can get some of my ideas put into play, but its unlikely to happen because Hillary has the full support of the party and wall street and whoever else she can be beholden too, so at a contested convention, Sanders can say what he wants and the party will shrug and say "Get lost crazy grandpa, you're bothering us" then they'll light cigars with thousand dollar bills and chortle.

In any other campaign if the Republicans could have gotten their sh%t together and found a halfway decent candidate to run against Clinton, I think they wipe the floor with her. The democrats and republicans have nothing to be proud of in terms of their candidate selection this time around.

[nik-]

Sanders is not the Jack Layton of the Democratic party. Jack Layton was a mean spirited dick who built his popularity as a result of being a petulant jerk to an unpopular leader. Sanders is popular because he's an idealist. He seems to have good, but unrealistic, intentions.

[Senator Clay Davis]

So Trump might debate Bernie...if Fox News puts up $10-15 million up front for charity (reminder: Trump ripped off vets the last time he did this). This whole election cycle just needs to die already. Cut it down to 3 months and we can get rid of nonsense sideshows like this (and get a lot of money out of politics too...) because candidates would have to be serious from day 1. It's insane Trump will get to spend 16 months doing dick all but antagonizing people, he can then act serious enough for 6 weeks, and he might win.

[ResAlien]

Read about that, quite the Hail Mary for Sanders to do that. But with how quickly he's morphed from gentle social Democrat wanting change to angrily aggressive old man yelling at clouds it's not a surprise. His style of campain is getting closer and closer to Trump's, replace Mexicans and Islam with Wall Street and establishment.

No need to wonder about my intentions, I'm an unabashed Hillary supporter.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I would agree with this in a lot of ways. Frankly Sanders is the wacky insane uncle that usually shouldn't even get a look see at the democratic nomination, because his campaign is at best populist sentiment mixed with crazy occupy literature and he can't explain how he would execute it beyond growlin, "we'll make the fat cats in New York pay for it"

Sanders might be all sorts of things, but crazy or stupid he is not. Not even unrealistic necessarily, depending on what you mean with the word. He knows his numbers, and he has a good handle on the political reality of US politics.

I find it sad that so many Sanders supporters (and opponents I guess too) have been distracted from the actual point of the campaign, which was mostly about bringing previously "radical" points of view into the mainstream. (Or at least closer to the mainstream.) Sanders clearly said early on that it doesn't really matter who the president is, and he's obviously right about that.

(In that light, being bitter about him not winning is just such a pointless reaction from his supporters. (Or some of them.) Although I guess to some extent it speaks of the frustrations people have towards politics in the US.)