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Bunk · 09-20-2010, 05:51 PM

We should not turn issues into a suburban vs. urban thing. Calgary has both and we need to improve how both are developed.

Flames0910 · 09-20-2010, 05:54 PM

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We should not turn issues into a suburban vs. urban thing. Calgary has both and we need to improve how both are developed.

Yeah, turning on each other doesn't accomplish anything.

burn_this_city · 09-20-2010, 05:54 PM

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Yeah, turning on each other doesn't accomplish anything.

But its sooo much fun

Ozy_Flame · 09-20-2010, 05:55 PM

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We should not turn issues into a suburban vs. urban thing. Calgary has both and we need to improve how both are developed.

Well it's a rather pressing issue. We have 1 million people now, and we're covering land use the size of New York city - and still growing.

This is a tax issue, a sustainability issue and a transportation issue all bundled up into one engorged package.

It's the elephant in the room that needs to be addressed.

Flames0910 · 09-20-2010, 05:55 PM

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But its sooo much fun

That's what Starcraft is for

SebC · 09-20-2010, 06:01 PM

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We should not turn issues into a suburban vs. urban thing. Calgary has both and we need to improve how both are developed.

Whilst the bolded statement is true, the suburban subsidies are a major issue that will cost the city and its residents more and more the longer it goes unaddressed.

burn_this_city · 09-20-2010, 06:11 PM

Its weird but the so called suburban subsidies are a huge deal on here, yet the biggest election issue is traffic.

Slava · 09-20-2010, 06:24 PM

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Its weird but the so called suburban subsidies are a huge deal on here, yet the biggest election issue is traffic.

I think CP has a lot of inner city folk on here. I live in the burbs and there is no question traffic is my main concern. The one thingthwt drives me crazy is wasting time in traffic because we have no snow clearing or haven't planned the city properly. It's incredibly frustrating!

The one attractive thing about McIver to me is that he would basically pave everything and figure it out later!

SebC · 09-20-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Its weird but the so called suburban subsidies are a huge deal on here, yet the biggest election issue is traffic.

What do you think causes the traffic issue?

burn_this_city · 09-20-2010, 06:36 PM

Poor planning and the increased population. Our infrastructure on major roadways is still years behind.

Table 5 · 09-20-2010, 06:43 PM

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Well it's a rather pressing issue. We have 1 million people now, and we're covering land use the size of New York city - and still growing.

While I agree with your overall message, I hate when people use this comparison. It's totally irrelevant and in real-terms, inaccurate. New York city itself is pretty tiny (It's the 22nd largest city in the US by area....behind places like Anchorage, Honolulu, Nashville, Indianapolis etc.) so the city proper is a bad gauge for sprawl.

In "real" terms though, the metro area stretches through 3 states (4 if you include Pennsylvania, which is not out of the question), and covers an area that basically goes for at least a hundred miles in each direction (remember there are about 22 million people in the metro area!). There's no way that Calgary is even frickin' close....our "Tuscany" is in Jersey. Here's a map of NY and how it compares to Calgary. Calgary basically covers the red parts of that map.......and as you can see, comes nowhere close to matching the realistic catchment area of New York.

http://content.calgary.ca/CCA/City+H...w+York+Map.htm

SebC · 09-20-2010, 06:50 PM

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Poor planning and the increased population. Our infrastructure on major roadways is still years behind.

That's because the subsidies create population growth in areas that don't generate enough taxes to pay for the infrastructure they require. No wonder we're behind... and we always will be, until we address the underlying issue or tax ourselves out of competitiveness.

Table 5 · 09-20-2010, 06:52 PM

Yep, it's pretty simple....the smaller the area, the better the infrastructure in that area. Want better roads? Be anti-sprawl.

burn_this_city · 09-20-2010, 07:02 PM

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That's because the subsidies create population growth in areas that don't generate enough taxes to pay for the infrastructure they require. No wonder we're behind... and we always will be, until we address the underlying issue or tax ourselves out of competitiveness.

The city is still sitting on a billion dollar rainy day fund. I'm sure a modest portion of that, along with provincial and federal funding could alleviate some of the issues. I believe the issue of sprawl is wildly overblown. We have nothing but land around us. The higher the density the worse the traffic, especially if people want to maintain our car based lifestyle. If the city used some foresight and built for projected population increases we might actually keep up.

Addick · 09-20-2010, 07:06 PM

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Poor planning and the increased population.

Which allowed an unsustainable growth pattern to be adopted.

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Our infrastructure on major roadways is still years behind.

Cities cannot pave their way out of congestion, they will always be behind.

Addick · 09-20-2010, 07:10 PM

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The higher the density the worse the traffic, especially if people want to maintain our car based lifestyle.

As the success of the CTrain shows, even car-loving Calgarians will use alternatives that are fast, efficient, and convenient.

Dion · 09-20-2010, 07:10 PM

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Our infrastructure on major roadways is still years behind.

We can thank Al Duerr for putting us in this mess..... Bronco got handed a legacy he couldn't catch up on.

frinkprof · 09-20-2010, 07:12 PM

Nevermind.

frinkprof · 09-20-2010, 07:14 PM

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Cities cannot pave their way out of congestion, they will always be behind.

Ergo, induced demand.

See: LA, Atlanta, Houston, etc.

Ducay · 09-20-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

The city is still sitting on a billion dollar rainy day fund. I'm sure a modest portion of that, along with provincial and federal funding could alleviate some of the issues. I believe the issue of sprawl is wildly overblown. We have nothing but land around us. The higher the density the worse the traffic, especially if people want to maintain our car based lifestyle. If the city used some foresight and built for projected population increases we might actually keep up.

I feel like every single one of your posts has at least 1, if not 2 incorrect assumptions and or wrong facts.

Please quit debating on an issue you have zero understanding of