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Shawnski · 08-01-2009, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

What I am against is all the typical "my kid could've done that!" or the "let's give it to a high school student to design" crap that you hear when something like this comes up.

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I was suggesting that people who don't know what they are talking about should stop pretending that they can build something better.

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A popular architect in this town suggested that if people are so against this bridge, AND it's design... let's have them submit their own ideas, since they're so keen.

Just WATCH the crap fly in at that point. Just because it's local in NO WAY means its going to be a good design.

Eric Yam says "Hi" to you both.... remember him?

Canada’s got (eng.) talent

Having some kids or university students come up with a concept isn't as far fetched as some of you arch-angels make it out to be, eh?

Table 5 · 08-01-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnski

Eric Yam says "Hi" to you both.... remember him?

Canada’s got (eng.) talent

Having some kids or university students come up with a concept isn't as far fetched as some of you arch-angels make it out to be, eh?

So two high school kids beat out a bunch of other high school kids. Awesome.

Nobody is denying there are talented kids out there. But this notion that we should all of a sudden give a bridge design to kids because on the off-hand chance that one of them just might do something nice (you never know! they need experience! why won't anyone think of the children?) is leotarded.

It would be like giving the Flames captaincy to some kid still in the WHL, when Jarome Iginla is right there for the taking, because "kids love hockey too, if you give him the chance, he just might turn into Yzerman"

If the kids want to enter the field, that's what internships are for. Or hey, enter the next bridge competition on your own.

Rhettzky · 08-01-2009, 08:50 AM

I honestly can't believe this is still a point of contention. Yes, let's leave the design of our infrastructure to kids that we are training to design our infrastructure so they can grow up and be jobless because we have a fresh batch of kids coming up to do their job. Why? Oh, so we can save a couple million bucks on a foot bridge.

Table 5 · 08-01-2009, 09:20 AM

To be honest I think some people, especially when they've been arguing about it for 30 pages, are just sticking to their guns and finding any reason not to like this project. It broke away from reality about 15 pages ago.

V · 08-01-2009, 09:46 AM

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Do you think we will see reduced speed limits and traffic calming measures in that area once the bridge is completed (or is it 30kph already?) With cross-town traffic being encouraged to use 16th Ave instead. This may be possible once the ring road is completed as much of the Highway 1 traffic load will be removed from 16th.

I doubt it. If I'm not mistaken, the reversible lane project taking place this summer/fall between 10th and 14th is going to accomplish the exact opposite.

Muta · 08-01-2009, 10:28 AM

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I honestly can't believe this is still a point of contention. Yes, let's leave the design of our infrastructure to kids that we are training to design our infrastructure so they can grow up and be jobless because we have a fresh batch of kids coming up to do their job. Why? Oh, so we can save a couple million bucks on a foot bridge.

Exactly. I can't believe that people want kids / students to design this bridge when we have fully capable firms here in the City to do it. That's their jobs, nonetheless.

Shawnski · 08-01-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

To be honest I think some people, especially when they've been arguing about it for 30 pages, are just sticking to their guns and finding any reason not to like this project. It broke away from reality about 15 pages ago.

I was being a bit of a devil's advocate to show several of you THIS EXACT POINT. It is you in the industry who are being closed minded and elistest.

I am not for some kids designing this, but there is no reason they couldn't have tried to come up with some concepts. Perhaps one might have been good enough to go forward to proof of concept, locally.

Nope, force fed, one option. The Prada purse was the only thing you ladies wanted. Name, name, name.

THAT is what you all sound like. Get it?

A bunch of whining elitest snob architects.

And for the record, those two "kids" project would work. NASA went through it thoroughly.

Table 5 · 08-01-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnski

I was being a bit of a devil's advocate to show several of you THIS EXACT POINT. It is you in the industry who are being closed minded and elistest.

Shawnski, may I ask what it is that you do? Could a kid do your job?

If wanting to give a job to someone who actually knows what they are doing instead of someone who might draw some cool racing stripes, sure call me elitist. You sound like frickin Sarah Palin.

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Originally Posted by Shawnski

I am not for some kids designing this, but there is no reason they couldn't have tried to come up with some concepts. Perhaps one might have been good enough to go forward to proof of concept, locally.

And I said said about 20 times already, if kids are interesting in designing a bridge, they are more than welcome to get an internship or go to school, or enter the next competition. Draw your submission, and send it in. Go nuts!

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A bunch of whining elitest snob architects.

I don't think any of us here are architects. At least I know I'm not. All I know is I'm not stupid enough to think I could their job....just like I coudn't do the job of a policeman, an engineer, or a doctor.

Ozy_Flame · 08-01-2009, 11:57 AM

I'm just surprised there's actually people around here who think a step in the right direction for a size of a million people and growing steadily is to let high school kids design a signature bridge as an integral part of our infrastructure.

Well ladies and gentlemen, if you're going to do that, you may as well let them design our interchanges, causeways, LRT lines and flow lanes while you're at it. And all because we have to do it for the children!

This isn't sarcasm coming from snobby elite architect; this is coming from a normal Calgary citizen who knows that leaving architecture to the architecture professionals IS THE INTELLIGENT THING TO DO.

ken0042 · 08-01-2009, 12:17 PM

It's too bad the media keeps trying to tell people what to think. On QR77 one of the afternoon guys was reading letters on their site, and one was well written telling QR that they had made their point that they didn't like it, and it should be dropped so that people can be free to form their own opinions. The QR guy went on to say that they were doing their responsibility by reporting the news- and should they have left it alone?

Yes. Just because some guy on the radio's opinion is that it looks childish doesn't mean that it is. Now that I understand some of the criteria like height, and the lack of pillars in the river (which as a rafter I am quite pleased about), I think the design is brilliant. I'm not sold on the colour though; as I fear that could look very 2010's like how the exterior of the Saddledome looks very 80's.

But if it's just the colour- meh.

jammies · 08-01-2009, 12:47 PM

As I've said before, anyone can come up with ideas. In a project like this where there are stringent design strictures, "ideas" are worthless unless they have some faint hope of being implemented successfully. For that matter, "ideas" in general are nearly worthless because anyone can come up with a few if they try; knowing the difference between what is a GOOD idea and what isn't, is how people get to be great architects in the first place.

That isn't elitism, that's truth. Amateurs do amateur work, and professionals do professional work. Such has always been the way, and always will be.

Muta · 08-01-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnski

I am not for some kids designing this, but there is no reason they couldn't have tried to come up with some concepts. Perhaps one might have been good enough to go forward to proof of concept, locally.

By why in blue hell do we needs kids to design this bridge? We have CAPABLE young architects in this city that can already do this, and they've been EDUCATED and TRAINED in exactly HOW to do it. GIVE THEM THE BALL AND LET THEM RUN WITH IT.

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A bunch of whining elitest snob architects.

Wow. Talk about ignorant.

Table 5 · 08-01-2009, 02:29 PM

What Calgary might look like in a few years if all the current projects, including our elitist bridge, get built. Courtesy of Devin Henry on Skyscraperpage.com

drewboy12 · 08-01-2009, 02:59 PM

I think the bridge design is pretty cool, but defently not fit for the environment... Sticks out like a sore thumb.

I thinking something flat and arching over the river would look great right there, not a log across the water...

wooohooo · 08-01-2009, 03:26 PM

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I think the bridge design is pretty cool, but defently not fit for the environment... Sticks out like a sore thumb.

I thinking something flat and arching over the river would look great right there, not a log across the water...

Took the words right out of my mouth. Completely agree there

First Lady · 08-01-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

By why in blue hell do we needs kids to design this bridge? We have CAPABLE young architects in this city that can already do this, and they've been EDUCATED and TRAINED in exactly HOW to do it. GIVE THEM THE BALL AND LET THEM RUN WITH IT.

I agree. I would have rather have had this designed by an architect from Calgary...or at least Alberta. Don't get me wrong, nothing against Spaniards, just think we could have found someone little closer to home.

Then have a contest for school kids to name the bridge; instead of trying to pacify Calgarians with the name.

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Wow. Talk about ignorant.

Try not to take his comments personally. He probably doesn't know you, like I know you.

Regulator75 · 08-01-2009, 04:13 PM

Video of the bridge.

http://www.jetvision.tv/video.aspx?p...&videoID=52308

BlackArcher101 · 08-01-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by drewboy12

I think the bridge design is pretty cool, but defently not fit for the environment... Sticks out like a sore thumb.

I thinking something flat and arching over the river would look great right there, not a log across the water...

Flat AND arching? Which is it that you want?

And to the above... It's supposed to stick out!!!!! What's the point of an architect designing a bridge that doesn't?

Rhettzky · 08-01-2009, 04:38 PM

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What Calgary might look like in a few years if all the current projects, including our elitist bridge, get built. Courtesy of Devin Henry on Skyscraperpage.com

Wow, that top picture shows just how much this bridge will fit in with the future cityscape. Looks great!

Bunk · 08-01-2009, 06:45 PM

Yeah, I think Calgary has enough gray and beige things that become invisible to the eye.

Love the future Calgary renderings. Devin's talented at this.

We shouldn't be afraid to import some of the world's greatest talent from time to time. It gives the local architectural community a little kick in the buck and actually allows the local architects to educate their clients about the value of better design.

By the way, as we know all the local architects will have a shot and the East-Village-Bridgeland competition. We'll see what they're truly made of.