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Bobblehead · 03-17-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

If I was a family member of the victim and hear that Li is getting out within 5 years........he would flat out go missing.....

You also think 9/11 was an inside job.

I don't really trust you to play judge, jury and executioner.

mikey_the_redneck · 03-17-2010, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Weiser Wonder

He was judged not criminally responsible. The guy was obviously completely insane when he did this, yet you think that there would be some value in watching him suffer? That doesn't make any sense.

After watching a family member get slaughtered like that, I could give a flying crap what some judge thinks....

mikey_the_redneck · 03-17-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

You also think 9/11 was an inside job.

I don't really trust you to play judge, jury and executioner.

Who cares?
Try to keep it on topic champ......

Bobblehead · 03-17-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Who cares?
Try to keep it on topic champ......

Well, you are saying here, and said the first time this thread came around that you would take care of guys like this personally.

I think that makes you no better than him.

Champ.

FlamesAddiction · 03-17-2010, 10:05 AM

The guy cut off the head of a stranger and ate his face. Is there ever any coming back from that? Sure, he might be feeling better now, but if he can be changed that quickly in one direction, then surely going back to crazy won't take long either.

mikey_the_redneck · 03-17-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Well, you are saying here, and said the first time this thread came around that you would take care of guys like this personally.

I think that makes you no better than him.

Champ.

Well good for you and your superior set of morals...

but if the legal system is going to fail that badly, I wouldn't feel guilty about turfing a sicko like that.....and I couldn't care less what people think of it either...

worth · 03-17-2010, 10:17 AM

This is kind of rhetorical question but, how can anyone be "not criminally responsible" for a crime they commit? It almost seems as that definition makes the crime not as serious. Regardless of who did the crime and for what reason, it was still done. Do most people believe that "not criminally responsible" is an applicable defense? Or is it an applicable defense in this particular case?

Each case must be reviewed in court individually. Not all sentences are the same for the same type of crime, and I recognize that. The court system is there to review each case and give a judgment based on the facts of that particular case alone. But in this case, I really don't see the distinction between this man killing someone if he's insane or not. I think the guy should die (spend life in prison) regardless.

FlamesAddiction · 03-17-2010, 10:20 AM

Also, anyone know what this guy's citizenship standing is and if he can be deported once he is considered healthy?

Coys1882 · 03-17-2010, 11:05 AM

I fully get that mental illness is a full on disease and that blaming someone who has schizophrenia for their bizarre behavior is no different than blaming an epileptic for having a seizure.

But if this guy had any previous history of mental illness and was previously prescribed medication but went off them - he should be sent to jail to serve a regular murder sentence the moment he's back on his meds and thinking somewhat lucidly. If he made the choice while he was well to go off them - he's culpable regardless of the state he gets into.

Forced medication should be mandatory for him for the rest of his life - checking in for urine tests just like a con does with a parole officer.

FlamingStuffedTiger · 03-17-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Also, anyone know what this guy's citizenship standing is and if he can be deported once he is considered healthy?

Not going to happen. I believe he's a Canadian citizen.

FlamingStuffedTiger · 03-17-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ken0042

I might be able to accept that if we found out his mental illness was caused by a brain tumour; and that tumour was surgically removed. As it stands right now he is "getting better" because his medication is strictly monitored.

I seem to recall that he had been placed on medication once before, and then went off his meds before getting on that bus.

I'm sure many people with mental illnesses can become productive members of society. However this guy has proven that he cannot be trusted, and the interests of public safety outweigh his "rights." (IMHO)

I can't seem to confirm this anywhere. The best I can get is something like this:

http://www.globaltvcalgary.com/world...348/story.html

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Li was suffering from untreated schizophrenia and psychotic delusions at the time.

Anyway, even if this is so, I don't disagree with your opinion that this guy is still seems like a big risk to public safety given his past skepticism of his illness. If he does end up getting released, I really hope they keep him on a tight leash...

Weiser Wonder · 03-17-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

After watching a family member get slaughtered like that, I could give a flying crap what some judge thinks....

America!

HOOT · 03-17-2010, 03:09 PM

The good news out of all of this is if you decide to go crazy and kill someone you won't have to spend much time in jail. It's almost like a 'free accident' with insurance companies. Can't wait to use mine....

FlamingStuffedTiger · 03-17-2010, 10:50 PM

Matata · 03-18-2010, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamingStuffedTiger

Pleading insanity as this card doesn't really fly in real life, or every murder case would be built around the argument. It's used in less than 1% of murder cases and only works 25% of that. On average, the sentences (including time spent in psychiatric facilities) are double that of regular murders. 'Decapition' crazy isn't something you work out over a weekend retreat.

Linked for your pleasure:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...aron/qa227.htm

HPLovecraft · 03-18-2010, 01:24 AM

I think to do something as completely f***** up as what he did, it shows that he actually IS completely insane. I mean, seriously. If you're a normal person who's just a bad guy, who likes to rob banks or something, you don't cut a guy's head off on a bus full of people then taunt people with the head. The guy is obviously bat-s*** insane. No fake card pulling is necessary.

pylon · 03-18-2010, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Well, you are saying here, and said the first time this thread came around that you would take care of guys like this personally.

I think that makes you no better than him.

Champ.

Actually I disagree. I think in a round about way you are doing society a favour by ridding the planet of this guy. What use is he to anyone (besides the Balfor Der's of the world)? What is it going to cost society and tax payers to keep this guy alive for the rest of his life? Is he gonna pay his way? No.

If he did that to someone in my family and I was offered 10 minutes in a room with him, with no questions asked, I would have no reservations on the ultimate outcome. Even if I knew I would feel remorse, I wouldn't hesistate. You chop off my brothers/sisters/mothers head, and eat her eyeballs.... you deserve to pay, and that does not make me the same person, it would make me a killer, but for a good cause in my eyes. My life would likely be permanently damaged anyway, so really, what would I have to lose. Big difference in a revenge killing or a crime of passion than what this psycho did....huge difference, and I have zero empathy for someone that did something so barbaric or animalistic, regardless of an underlying condition. If I had done the same thing, I wouldn't expect it either.

The guy was pleading for someone to kill him in his first court appearance, too bad we couldn't grant him his wish.

HPLovecraft · 03-18-2010, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pylon

Actually I disagree. I think in a round about way you are doing society a favour by ridding the planet of this guy. What use is he to anyone (besides the Balfor Der's of the world)? What is it going to cost society and tax payers to keep this guy alive for the rest of his life? Is he gonna pay his way? No.

If he did that to someone in my family and I was offered 10 minutes in a room with him, with no questions asked, I would have no reservations on the ultimate outcome. Even if I knew I would feel remorse, I wouldn't hesistate. You chop off my brothers/sisters/mothers head, and eat her eyeballs.... you deserve to pay, and that does not make me the same person, it would make me a killer, but for a good cause in my eyes. My life would likely be permanently damaged anyway, so really, what would I have to lose. Big difference in a revenge killing or a crime of passion than there is what this psycho did....huge difference, and I have zero empathy for someone that did something so barbaric or animalistic, regardless of an underlying condition. If I had done the same thing, I wouldn't expect it either.

The guy was pleading for someone to kill him in his first court appearance, too bad we couldn't grant him his wish.

So we're basing who we kill and let live on how much the person's going to cost tax payers now, eh?

Better bust out those gas chambers for the mentally disabled, the seniors, and the welfare bums. There's a lot o' cookin' to do!

pylon · 03-18-2010, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

So we're basing who we kill and let live on how much the person's going to cost tax payers now, eh?

Better bust out those gas chambers for the mentally disabled, the seniors, and the welfare bums. There's a lot o' cookin' to do!

No, not the point I was trying to get across. I have no issues with rehabilitating someone on the public dime that isn't a face eating murderer. There are a bazillion other crimes worth rehabilitaing as well, but this guy...went too far. What this guy did was beyond what a lot of animals would do, and I truly believe he should be treated as such. If a dog bit someone in a park, there is a good chance the dog would be put down. Am I comparing this guy to a dog? That would be an insult to dogs.

prizefighterinferno · 03-18-2010, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

So we're basing who we kill and let live on how much the person's going to cost tax payers now, eh?

Better bust out those gas chambers for the mentally disabled, the seniors, and the welfare bums. There's a lot o' cookin' to do!

Haha not that I agree with what he's saying, but comparing the financial justification of capital punishment for a murderer as opposed to the elderly or those suffering from mental/physical handicaps due to dependency is laughably off-base, don't you think?

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this famed decapitator suffered from some form of mental illness, however, possibly complicating the debate of whether or not he deserves to die, should you chose to engage in such an argument.