[News] Blues offersheet Broberg (2 yrs, $4.580 mil AAV) and Holloway (2 yrs, $2.290 mil AAV)

[stemit14]

Working under the assumption now that they are going to keep Broberg and let Holloway walk, they’ll get a 3rd round pick back for him. So, after the Ceci trade, they give up their best young NHL forward for essentially nothing. Sucks that they were able to trade Ceci so easily but it’s still a net loss for the oilers.

[RedHawk12]

I don't know that the Oilers suffered a "net loss", especially if they're going for a cup. If you look at the roster for Game 7 of the finals vs. their projected roster for next year, I'd say they actually improved. Their top 6 is better/more balanced, their bottom 6 is more or less the same quality and their D is actually marginally better without Ceci.

Game 7:

Hyman - McDavid - Drysaitl
Brown - Henrique - Nuge
Holloway - McLeod - Foegele
Janmark - Ryan - Perry

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Ceci
Broberg - Kulak

Skinner

Next Season:

Nuge - McDavid - Hyman
Skinner - Draisaitl - Arvidsson
Podkolzin - Henrique - Perry
Janmark - Ryan - Brown

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Broberg
Kulak - Emberson/Brown

Skinner

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I don't know that the Oilers suffered a "net loss", especially if they're going for a cup. If you look at the roster for Game 7 of the finals vs. their projected roster for next year, I'd say they actually improved. Their top 6 is better/more balanced, their bottom 6 is more or less the same quality and their D is actually marginally better without Ceci.

Game 7:

Hyman - McDavid - Drysaitl
Brown - Henrique - Nuge
Holloway - McLeod - Foegele
Janmark - Ryan - Perry

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Ceci
Broberg - Kulak

Skinner

Next Season:

Nuge - McDavid - Hyman
Skinner - Draisaitl - Arvidsson
Podkolzin - Henrique - Perry
Janmark - Ryan - Brown

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Broberg
Kulak - Emberson/Brown

Skinner

I’m saying it’s more a net loss comparing before the offer sheets to after Tuesday if they let Holloway walk. They end up with this trade during that time:

In:
Podkolzin
Emberson
3rd round pick


Out:
Ceci
Holloway
3rd round pick
4th round pick

I’d say the 3rd round picks are a wash. And the 4th round pick for Emberson is a wash or even a net loss for the Oilers. Exchanging Holloway for Podkolzin is definitely a net loss.

[Jay Random]

Emberson was a 6/7 D on the worst team in the league. If the Oilers play him at all, that's a clear downgrade from Ceci or almost anyone else. And if Broberg was a 3rd-pairing D for them last year, I don't see how putting him in the top 4 is an improvement.

It's also a bit dodgy to list Draisaitl as a W for game 7, and then as a C for this season. The Oilers don't magically gain depth at centre by shuffling deck chairs.

[Sylvanfan]

Brian Lawton was on Stauffers show and mentioned that he would keep Broberg of the two because he thought big defenceman with mobility were far tougher to find than wingers. Although it's expensive it's worth the risk.

That right there was enough to signal what the teams intentions are. No way they let Stauffer have a guest who would try and get the fans thinking the opposite. Whether Lawton is right or not matters not, his opinion matched there's so he can speak.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Emberson was a 6/7 D on the worst team in the league. If the Oilers play him at all, that's a clear downgrade from Ceci or almost anyone else. And if Broberg was a 3rd-pairing D for them last year, I don't see how putting him in the top 4 is an improvement.

It's also a bit dodgy to list Draisaitl as a W for game 7, and then as a C for this season. The Oilers don't magically gain depth at centre by shuffling deck chairs.

Broberg is young and developing. I think he easily has top-4 potential. If he goes to St. Louis, the narrative is definitely that the Oilers lost a young potential top-4 D maybe even with with top pair upside for a 2nd. LOL Oilers. That doesn't change when the Oilers match. Also, he's replacing Ceci, which isn't really a high bar to beat. I was under the impression that Ceci was one of the worst defender to play top-4 minutes in the league. That doesn't change just because he's traded to San Jose.

As for center depth, you can still move Draisaitl up on McDavid's line and shift Nuge down. You can still move Henrique up to 2C and say wow their center depth sucks. But the fact is they added Skinner and Arvidsson and kept rental Henrique, and they lost Foegele? That's an upgrade.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Broberg is young and developing. I think he easily have top-4 potential.

Never mind potential, is he there this year? Because it's quite apparent that the Oilers themselves preferred Ceci to Broberg in a 2nd-pairing role just a couple of months ago.

As for center depth, you can still move Draisaitl up on McDavid's line and shift Nuge down. You can still move Henrique up to 2C and say wow their center depth sucks. But the fact is they added Skinner and Arvidsson and kept rental Henrique, and they lost Foegele? That's an upgrade.

Foegele was one of their best defensive forwards last year.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Never mind potential, is he there this year? Because it's quite apparent that the Oilers themselves preferred Ceci to Broberg in a 2nd-pairing role just a couple of months ago.



Foegele was one of their best defensive forwards last year.

Broberg >> Ceci in any situation, any day of the week. We mocked "top-4" Ceci endlessly and he deserved it. The Oilers were mis-using Broberg but now, maybe by dumb luck, he's going to have an opportunity to unlock some top-4 potential, and I think he will be decent.

And yes, losing McLeod and Foegele is a huge blow on their shutdown side of things, and I guess we will see if those two were actually good or if it's a product of coaching and someone like Henrique can replace them.

[RedHawk12]

Also Sportsnet is saying they can keep both Broberg and Holloway by putting Kane on LTIR and demoting someone like Emberson, Brown or Ryan (I think Brown is an easy choice there).

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I’m saying it’s more a net loss comparing before the offer sheets to after Tuesday if they let Holloway walk. They end up with this trade during that time:

In:
Podkolzin
Emberson
3rd round pick


Out:
Ceci
Holloway
3rd round pick
4th round pick

I’d say the 3rd round picks are a wash. And the 4th round pick for Emberson is a wash or even a net loss for the Oilers. Exchanging Holloway for Podkolzin is definitely a net loss.

You are ignoring the additions of Henrique, Ardvison and Skinner.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You are ignoring the additions of Henrique, Ardvison and Skinner.

It's almost as if he's talking about players moving in and out as a result of these offer sheets. And you can't "add" a player that was on the team last year in Henrique.

You're pretty defense heavy for the Oilers these days. Ironically unlike the team itself.

[Locke]

Come on! Be a Berg Bro!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You are ignoring the additions of Henrique, Ardvison and Skinner.

If you add UFA signings, you have to subtract Foegele and McLeod

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I don't know that the Oilers suffered a "net loss", especially if they're going for a cup. If you look at the roster for Game 7 of the finals vs. their projected roster for next year, I'd say they actually improved. Their top 6 is better/more balanced, their bottom 6 is more or less the same quality and their D is actually marginally better without Ceci.

Game 7:

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Ceci
Broberg - Kulak

Skinner

Next Season:

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Broberg
Kulak - Emberson/Brown

Skinner

LOL.

Last year they had Ceci, Desharnais and Broberg. Now they have Broberg, Brown and Emberson (assuming they match).

That is not 'marginally better', that is a huge downgrade, now matter how hard you squint.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

LOL.

Last year they had Ceci, Desharnais and Broberg. Now they have Broberg, Brown and Emberson (assuming they match).

That is not 'marginally better', that is a huge downgrade, now matter how hard you squint.

Yup, lots of heavy lifting for the Oilers in this thread. Funny to see. Their D got worse. Their bottom 6 got worse. Their top 6 got better. Are they a better team? I doubt it.

[sureLoss]

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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Yup, lots of heavy lifting for the Oilers in this thread. Funny to see. Their D got worse. Their bottom 6 got worse. Their top 6 got better. Are they a better team? I doubt it.

They also got to game 7 of the SCF.
I think their forward group is better for sure. And could be enough to push them over the edge.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

I think he easily has top-4 potential. If he goes to St. Louis, the narrative is definitely that the Oilers lost a young potential top-4 D maybe even with with top pair upside for a 2nd. LOL Oilers. .

lol Broberg is back to a top 4, maybe even a top pair D now that the Oilers are lining up to match. I think Broberg is overrated but you sound a lot like an Oilers fan here. I knew if they matched the narrative would go from overpaid bottom pairing D to Broberg being a top 4 d again.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

They also got to game 7 of the SCF.
I think their forward group is better for sure. And could be enough to push them over the edge.

We will see. I think they could have won if they had competent d pairings. They shuffled the forwards and got slightly better on paper while worsening their D. I think they hurt their chances at getting back to SCF.

[FurnaceFace]

You have misread Redhawk. Definitely not an Oiler fan.