[News] Darryl Sutter out as Head Coach. Maloney presser at 11:30 AM MT

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

I think Gaudreau really ####ed this franchise. Imagine if he stayed and Tkachuk didn't want out (because that Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk line could be really good for a long time).

Sutter probably doesn't do whatever the hell it was he was doing this year. I think when Gaudreau and Tkachuk left, Sutter probably shrugged his shoulders and said, "F it."

He also signed a meaty extension to stay for 2 more years after everything happened.

If he mailed it in and caused this circus to get fired that would really destroy his legacy.

[bluejays]

I've commented about Salim a few times, but each time I hear him talk I appreciate it. He doesn't feel beach balls to management. I swear he reads these forums to get an understanding of what the fans are saying and he's blunt in his questions to management. It's commendable work as a journalist, though I'm sure he's not building relationships with the organization. Integrity in his job though.

[Goriders]

I thought Don Maloney did well in the press conference. Handled a tough situation very smoothly. He’s well spoken.

[Mr.Coffee]

Everybody reads these forums. I bet ownership, players, management and journalists all read these forums.

Let’s pretend there was a massive Internet forum like this dedicated to your place of work. What, you’re going to pretend that you don’t read it? I love how through all the years this place is treated as some backwater nerd hole on the internet when it’s like the key pulse of the fan base.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Is there any concern about building your team around a winger? We went down this road with Iginla, Gaudreau, and now Huberdeau? Are we just going to continue to eschew common knowledge on what makes a team successful in the NHL?

Bennett was supposed to be a franchise C, with Monahan a strong 1B. To Treliving’s credit, he chased centres in Lindholm and Kadri, but they are not elite.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Everybody reads these forums. I bet ownership, players, management and journalists all read these forums.

Let’s pretend there was a massive Internet forum like this dedicated to your place of work. What, you’re going to pretend that you don’t read it? I love how through all the years this place is treated as some backwater nerd hole on the internet when it’s like the key pulse of the fan base.

I’m sure what’s said here gets to the players and maybe the coaches. Which is why I hate it when players are called garbage or useless.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by blankall

I'm really excited to see what this group can do with 2-4 young players in the lineup next year.

I'm really excited to see the Flames win the lottery and draft 6th. That's been an ok spot for them.

[yourbestfriend]

The Sutter firing doesn't absolve Huberdeau's performance last season. Sure, him and Sutter's styles and system's might not have matched, but coaching does not turn a 115pt player into a 55pt player within 1 season. We all watched the games - at no point did Huberdeau show that he was anywhere near a 100pt player.

Hoping next year is better, but I'm not going to be holding my breath.

[TheChief]

Its a sad day for the Franchise in my opinion. The players (again) won over the coach. Make no mistake this isn't just any coach either, this is the best coach we have or probably will ever have.



Everyone saying that the game has passed Darryl by...comon. What was last year? He was soured by a primmadona UFA and a guy who looked like he quit after game 5 when the lines got changed. The sub 900 goal tending all year didn't help. I think its gonna be a couple hard years for us.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

The Sutter firing doesn't absolve Huberdeau's performance last season. Sure, him and Sutter's styles and system's might not have matched, but coaching does not turn a 115pt player into a 55pt player within 1 season. We all watched the games - at no point did Huberdeau show that he was anywhere near a 100pt player.

Hoping next year is better, but I'm not going to be holding my breath.

Huberdeau had a 5v5 GA/60 of 2.24 - good for 6th best on the team.

His last year in Florida, it was 2.99 - he made a significant effort to commit to the defensive side of the puck, and the numbers bear that out.

The coach had a Ferrari and used it to do farm work.

It’s not the Ferrari’s fault when that doesn’t work.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Everybody reads these forums. I bet ownership, players, management and journalists all read these forums.

Let’s pretend there was a massive Internet forum like this dedicated to your place of work. What, you’re going to pretend that you don’t read it? I love how through all the years this place is treated as some backwater nerd hole on the internet when it’s like the key pulse of the fan base.

I wouldn’t call it massive. It’s like a couple hundred people weighing in on any given topic, a small fraction of which produce 90%+ of the content.

It’s a pulse on a very particular portion of the fan base, but you’re inflating its value as an overall temperature read.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Its a sad day for the Franchise in my opinion. The players (again) won over the coach. Make no mistake this isn't just any coach either, this is the best coach we have or probably will ever have.



Everyone saying that the game has passed Darryl by...comon. What was last year? He was soured by a primmadona UFA and a guy who looked like he quit after game 5 when the lines got changed. The sub 900 goal tending all year didn't help. I think its gonna be a couple hard years for us.

As opposed to the sunshine and rainbows era we just went through. A scraping of regular season success isn't a whole lot to mourn.

[browna]

Scapegoating.

Average goaltending and winning just the league average overtime wins and the Flames would have pushed Vegas to the limit and maybe won. Those two things happening a few times over the course of 82 didn't involve any different style or effort from the team as a whole, playing much better, instead just getting a save and or an OT goal every few weeks.

And if Sutter and the team gets in pushes Vegas, or wins a round and slays the Oilers dragon, he's not going anywhere for a while, no matter how disgruntled those same players that are happy today who didn't like their buttons pushed in the regular season, think or not.

Sutter's style isn't for everyone, but if it gets results it is. This year wasn't on him nor did players quit on him except Kadri. Toffolli and Zadorov had great years and some players need that pushing for it. Pushing made Tkachuk and JG better players thanks to Sutter last year.

Will hold judgement based on the new coach and Gm, but the more concerning thing for me is some players are clearly running the show again, like they did extending Ward. Those players, who have been here a while, clearly liked the days of having it easy under GG and Ward, and look forward to kicking the soccer ball in practice again and playing some music. It's pretty clear from the exit interviews who those are.

Hope I'm wrong, but the last two attempts (3 if you count Playfair way back when) at finding a "players" or "teaching" coach ended in wasted multiple seasons with players who lounged around and didn't get pushed to potential and the Flames figured it out that they need a task master (Keenan, Hartley, Peters,Sutter). Brent Sutter was somewhat in the middle. The new management cannot let the inmates run the asylum behind the scenes with the coach, GM or any other managerial choice.

And oh well, if they don't make it next year, the built in excuse will then be because of the ptsd Sutter gave them when he got mad at them this year.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

The Sutter firing doesn't absolve Huberdeau's performance last season. Sure, him and Sutter's styles and system's might not have matched, but coaching does not turn a 115pt player into a 55pt player within 1 season. We all watched the games - at no point did Huberdeau show that he was anywhere near a 100pt player.

Hoping next year is better, but I'm not going to be holding my breath.

Disagree.

You don’t even have to look much further than, well, Darryl Sutter to see what Darryl Sutter does

Iggy got 67 points under Sutter then the next year 94 in 70 games under Playfair (a 110 point pace), followed by a 98 point season

As Sutter was losing the room and his job in LA, Kopitar had 52 points, then when Sutter left, jumped up to 92

And Sutter played those guys in their proper position

No question he stifles his stars’ offense, asking them to sacrifice personal stats for the team

It’s kind of actually been his thing


(with the exception of two guys in contract years, 13 and 19, who said ‘#### this’ and had their line play a different game, which was so effective he really couldn’t do much different)

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Is there any concern about building your team around a winger? We went down this road with Iginla, Gaudreau, and now Huberdeau? Are we just going to continue to eschew common knowledge on what makes a team successful in the NHL?

Lindholm is an O'Reilly level center. Flames trying to depth their way to a cup

[Tbull8]

https://flamesnation.ca/news/we-were...akob-pelletier

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Its a sad day for the Franchise in my opinion. The players (again) won over the coach. Make no mistake this isn't just any coach either, this is the best coach we have or probably will ever have.



Everyone saying that the game has passed Darryl by...comon. What was last year? He was soured by a primmadona UFA and a guy who looked like he quit after game 5 when the lines got changed. The sub 900 goal tending all year didn't help. I think its gonna be a couple hard years for us.

I try to be optimistic, but I'm nervous another coaching carousel is beginning.

[bigrangy]

Well what a dumb way to waste a season. They couldn’t have made up their frickin mind 3 months ago so the team could draft Fantilli instead of some guy they eventually waive?

Hopefully it signals a full rebuild but at least pick a frickin direction.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Its a sad day for the Franchise in my opinion. The players (again) won over the coach. Make no mistake this isn't just any coach either, this is the best coach we have or probably will ever have.



Everyone saying that the game has passed Darryl by...comon. What was last year? He was soured by a primmadona UFA and a guy who looked like he quit after game 5 when the lines got changed. The sub 900 goal tending all year didn't help. I think its gonna be a couple hard years for us.

Meh. He pushed the right buttons so hard 2 seasons ago that the 2 players in their contract year chose to leave. One year of regular season success and almost no playoff success in the 3 years he was here. Most of the team, most fans, and seemingly most of the hockey staff wanted him gone.

Time for a new plan from a new manager and coach.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

The Sutter firing doesn't absolve Huberdeau's performance last season. Sure, him and Sutter's styles and system's might not have matched, but coaching does not turn a 115pt player into a 55pt player within 1 season. We all watched the games - at no point did Huberdeau show that he was anywhere near a 100pt player.

Hoping next year is better, but I'm not going to be holding my breath.

I think coaching can have a huge impact on a players potential. Sutter wanted defence from him at the cost of his offence. That's on Sutter taking a skilled forward and making him do dirty work. Waste of talent. Sutter's team style doesn't allow the best players to get away with mediocre defence.

Secondly, I think many people don't know how much Barkov played a role in taking the heat off Huberdeau. The second he was dealt here he was destined to be a 80 point player based on team style and not having the calibre of linemate. I didn't see him as a superstar, but a definite star who would produce at a lower clip. With Sutter gone, I could see him building confidence to hit 75 points this year with the right approach, but we'll see.