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Buff · 03-26-2022, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am pretty sure I have heard Eliiotte Friedman and others discussing NHL medical oversight actually happening in Vegas this season.

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I also remember hearing Rhett Warrener talking about how the NHL sent their own doctors to check him out when he retired to ensure the Flames weren't pulling cap circumvention with him.

Textcritic · 03-26-2022, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Are you trying to say a player has never been left on LTIR because of cap reasons? Really?

Not exactly. What I am saying is that no one has ever been deemed fit to play, and remained on LTIR beyond the time they were cleared by doctors.

dino7c · 03-26-2022, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Not exactly. What I am saying is that no one has ever been deemed fit to play, and remained on LTIR beyond the time they were cleared by doctors.

Sure but it's pretty hard to declare someone fit to play, is anyone 100%?

If Vegas makes the playoffs most of these guys will be in game one. Sounds like they are changing the rules and the timing isn't a coincidence.

dissentowner · 03-26-2022, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

Wrong. CBA section 50.10(d). The league can challenge any club physician's determination that the player is unfit to play.

Show me evidence this have ever happened though. All I have ever heard is a teams doctors saying the player was not ready to return. Show me something that says NHL has a doctor team that checks to see if a clubs doctors are not on the up and up.

dissentowner · 03-26-2022, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Sure but it's pretty hard to declare someone fit to play, is anyone 100%?

If Vegas makes the playoffs most of these guys will be in game one. Sounds like they are changing the rules and the timing isn't a coincidence.

All of these guys will be good to return if they make it, I would bet pretty much anything. Of course the team will say they are still not 100% but it's the playoffs so they will give it a try.

dissentowner · 03-26-2022, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Not exactly. What I am saying is that no one has ever been deemed fit to play, and remained on LTIR beyond the time they were cleared by doctors.

And if the team is in a bind like Vegas is and the team needs those players to have extended time on LTIR do you believe the medical staff paid by said team is going to not say the player needs more time regardless? Of course they are.

Textcritic · 03-26-2022, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

And if the team is in a bind like Vegas is and the team needs those players to have extended time on LTIR do you believe the medical staff paid by said team is going to not say the player needs more time regardless? Of course they are.

I think it happened with Eichel. He was ready to go, so they had to get him in the lineup, and tbe only way to do it was at the expense of their best player, who had been dealing with some pretty serious injuries all year.

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transplant99 · 03-26-2022, 05:45 PM

The other aspect to all this is you require a healthy player to agree to not play.

Knowing guys over the years who've played/play elite level hockey, I find it impossible to believe there are many that would do this. The PA would also never agree to it if they were informed.

dissentowner · 03-26-2022, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

The other aspect to all this is you require a healthy player to agree to not play.

Knowing guys over the years who've played/play elite level hockey, I find it impossible to believe there are many that would do this. The PA would also never agree to it if they were informed.

If you know high end athletes you also know they will do anything to win. How many guys given the chance to rest up so they can add a piece or pieces to help win a championship take that? I imagine pretty much all would.

dissentowner · 03-26-2022, 05:54 PM

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I think it happened with Eichel. He was ready to go, so they had to get him in the lineup, and tbe only way to do it was at the expense of their best player, who had been dealing with some pretty serious injuries all year.

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You mean Stone who despite having a bad back played through it up until the point that Eichel was close to coming back? I don't blame Vegas for placing him on LTIR at all and letting him rest up for the playoffs, the rules say they can. On the other hand if the playoffs were starting Monday and Vegas made it in do you think Stone would be in the lineup? I would make a substantial bet he would be.

transplant99 · 03-26-2022, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

If you know high end athletes you also know they will do anything to win. How many guys given the chance to rest up so they can add a piece or pieces to help win a championship take that? I imagine pretty much all would.

There is taking a rest....and then there is sitting out 2, 3 4, 6 weeks.

Guys want to play....period.

manwiches · 03-26-2022, 06:15 PM

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There is almost no chance that Edmonton will play Colorado in the playoffs. At this point it looks like there will be only three Pacific Division teams in tbe post season, which means that if Edmonton makes it it will be as the #2/3 seed, playing the other #2/3 seed.

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Damn it. I stand corrected. I'll see myself out

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Enoch Root · 03-26-2022, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

There is taking a rest....and then there is sitting out 2, 3 4, 6 weeks.

Guys want to play....period.

Exactly.

You've got a 5-10 year career - 15 if you're a star, but few get that - and you're a professional athlete who has been the best player on every team they have ever been on.

You're here to play, and you're here to be a part of a winning team.

No effing way, do they, or do the VAST majority of them, at least, ever quietly agree to sitting out for weeks, just because the team screwed up with the cap.

It's easy for fans to look at a screwed up situation and yell conspiracy, but it's another to assume these players are going to be complicit to it.

dissentowner · 03-26-2022, 06:45 PM

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Exactly.

You've got a 5-10 year career - 15 if you're a star, but few get that - and you're a professional athlete who has been the best player on every team they have ever been on.

You're here to play, and you're here to be a part of a winning team.

No effing way, do they, or do the VAST majority of them, at least, ever quietly agree to sitting out for weeks, just because the team screwed up with the cap.

It's easy for fans to look at a screwed up situation and yell conspiracy, but it's another to assume these players are going to be complicit to it.

BS. Go ask Iginla if he would have rested an injury he could played through for a better chance at a Stanley Cup. Guys want to play, guys want to win a SC a lot more.

PepsiFree · 03-26-2022, 06:48 PM

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BS. Go ask Iginla if he would have rested an injury he could played through for a better chance at a Stanley Cup. Guys want to play, guys want to win a SC a lot more.

You think the best player on the team believes his absence gives Vegas a better chance?

sureLoss · 03-26-2022, 06:59 PM

Friedman on HNIC said the league will not sanction Ottawa for their part in this.

dissentowner · 03-26-2022, 07:03 PM

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You think the best player on the team believes his absence gives Vegas a better chance?

If it means having Jack Eichel? Absolutely. If it means not having to deal other key pieces they need to win a championship? Absolutely. You think the best player on the team won't take the time to rest a nagging injury he has been playing through to accomplish that?

dino7c · 03-26-2022, 07:09 PM

The league is talking about changing the rules so there is obviously a problem

Textcritic · 03-26-2022, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

You mean Stone who despite having a bad back played through it up until the point that Eichel was close to coming back? I don't blame Vegas for placing him on LTIR at all and letting him rest up for the playoffs, the rules say they can. On the other hand if the playoffs were starting Monday and Vegas made it in do you think Stone would be in the lineup? I would make a substantial bet he would be.

I have several times now agreed that this is the case, but this is moreso because players are almost always going to play even when there is no way they should be playing. So Stone was not so completely crippled that it was impossible for him to play, but he has also not been playing anywhere near perfect health all season. What do you propose? Players must be returned to the lineup if deemed 80% healthy? 85%? 81.67%

I agree, it is a problem. But we disagree that there is a ready and straightforward solution. It's pretty complicated.

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Leeman4Gilmour · 03-28-2022, 12:22 PM

Smith goes to LTIR, Martinez is instantly activated. The string of LTIR injuries coinciding with LTIR recoveries Vegas is pulling off is nothing short of a miracle.