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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What is the point of all this? Brad doesn't a flux capacitor all that matters is the next move...I think Seattle might take Gio if exposed honestly

Good cap dump and expansion shield should that happen

Lucic retires and Gio claimed would give the Flames some cap space

Brad with cap space that he can spend on UFA's, one can only dream that the Wizard is allowed to do his thing on the UFA market this year.

Last year he got us a goalie. In terms of save percentage these are how last year's UFA goalies rank

Cam Talbot - .925
Mike Smith - .922
Anton Khubodin - .910
Markstrom - .904
Holtby - he sucks

I am confident that with some money Brad can find some more players for the Flames.

[Erick Estrada]

I have to admit free agency is not Brad's thing. It's largely been a disaster actually.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Brad with cap space that he can spend on UFA's, one can only dream that the Wizard is allowed to do his thing on the UFA market this year.

Last year he got us a goalie. In terms of save percentage these are how last year's UFA goalies rank

Cam Talbot - .925
Mike Smith - .922
Anton Khubodin - .910
Markstrom - .904
Holtby - he sucks

I am confident that with some money Brad can find some more players for the Flames.

Everyone would have been super happy if Brad had Mike Smith and Talbot as our goalie tandem. They definitely would have had the same save percentage behind our excellent team. What was he thinking signing Markstrom over these two all stars?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

No no... just no, that's a dumb argument. A contract and a human life are not remotely close to the same thing. They are not comparable. Come on, you're just being silly here. A contract has a known length that's pre-determined ahead of time. A human life doesn't. The dude said "entire life of his contract". "Has been" would have to include his play this year because it happened, in other words it's in the past. And based on Gio's play this year and his age, we can reasonably predict how he's going to play out the rest of it. Any reasonable person can make that prediction. It's not rocket science.

"Weak footing"? Oh god. I just can't anymore. Have fun with whatever half-baked attempt you come up with to try and undermine my position. Signing Gio for 6 years when he was already entering his mid 30s was a bad idea, nothing here comes close to changing my mind. Sorry.

This has been an odd discussion.

The data is on your side for this season and likely for next ... if you get a chance it's a contract you should probably move.

There isn't a lot of work for you to do here.

So why are you trying to go back in time and find a way to discredit previous seasons when that, even if you were successful, wouldn't change the statement above.

His numbers in shot suppression, and expected goal splits relative to his offence has been very good for the first four years of his contract. The numbers are pretty clear. But that doesn't change the fact that he's struggling now, and given the team's issues he's a player that they should look at moving.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Everyone would have been super happy if Brad had Mike Smith and Talbot as our goalie tandem. They definitely would have had the same save percentage behind our excellent team. What was he thinking signing Markstrom over these two all stars?

Fair enough, the Oilers have built a better defence than the architect of Calgary’s backend has. Point conceded.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Fair enough, the Oilers have built a better defence than the architect of Calgary’s backend has. Point conceded.

Flames D has been overrated for over 15 years now

[Matata]

nmd

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Flames D has been overrated for over 15 years now

but it's always looked amazing "on paper"

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have to admit free agency is not Brad's thing. It's largely been a disaster actually.

Without hindsight, there were only a few that I would call bad. I thought Brouwer was a good acquisition, he just took a nose dive. Neal was high risk/high reward.

He's had some good ones though, Engelland, Tanev, Markstrom, Hudler, Frolik, Rittich. I believe Chiasson was UFA?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have to admit free agency is not Brad's thing. It's largely been a disaster actually.

Without looking, I bet free agency is almost always a bad thing for most GMs who participate a lot. Especially early UFA signings.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Without looking, I bet free agency is almost always a bad thing for most GMs who participate a lot. Especially early UFA signings.

I've said it before ... but if a GM had a personal rule where you couldn't do a contract longer than 4 years with any player aged 29 or older you would end up winning in the end.

Sure there would be key players that you would have to deal or lose to free agency, but the overall cap space advantage would create more flexibility and opportunity and keep teams in the mix for longer.

It's basically happened in baseball with accusations of collusion because all the teams are likely seeing the same data.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Brad with cap space that he can spend on UFA's, one can only dream that the Wizard is allowed to do his thing on the UFA market this year.

Last year he got us a goalie. In terms of save percentage these are how last year's UFA goalies rank

Cam Talbot - .925
Mike Smith - .922
Anton Khubodin - .910
Markstrom - .904
Holtby - he sucks

I am confident that with some money Brad can find some more players for the Flames.

Yeah I'm sure you were begging for Smith/Talbot all summer. It's a small sample size any GM would choose Markstrom over those guys. Heck the Oilers did.

Smith is on borrowed time, he will turn into a pumpkin soon like game one of the play ins last season.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Without hindsight, there were only a few that I would call bad. I thought Brouwer was a good acquisition, he just took a nose dive. Neal was high risk/high reward.

He's had some good ones though, Engelland, Tanev, Markstrom, Hudler, Frolik, Rittich. I believe Chiasson was UFA?

The problem with all this is that Treliving chose to move forward with a weak core in comparison to others. So if you’re going in with a weaker core group, then your margin for error is low. Treliving made one too many mistakes whether by trade or UFAs.

Just looking at this season as an example; the forward depth on this team wasn’t good, so they try to balance things out by moving pieces around. Then, they surround those core pieces with bargain bin wingers because that’s all that management could afford. That decision was unequivocally, a disaster. This team can’t score, they can’t beat a rebuilding Ottawa Senators, they keep embarrassing themselves on national TV and every core player except one or two are sitting at their lowest possible trade value ever.

I hate this season and I can’t wait for it to end. I thought the first half of last season was bad, but wow this version of the Flames blows that one out of the water. I don’t even want to see what this core follows up for an encore next season. This core should be completely dismantled. They had more than enough time together.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ lol

People have given data that disagrees with your feelings. Boo hoo

Have an above average season on a bad team and, thanks to relative stats, you're suddenly Bobby Orr! How amazing is that.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Have an above average season on a bad team and, thanks to relative stats, you're suddenly Bobby Orr! How amazing is that.

I wasn't quoting relative stats, I was quoting absolute shot and expected goal metrics across the league for defenseman that were playing top 4-5 roles on all the teams.

His numbers have been top 15-25 in all the key metrics across all defensemen with top five roles.