Blow it up!

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Tell me what team went into a rebuild when 6 of their top 7 forwards are 22-27 and 3 of their top 5 D are 24 or younger? They just signed a goalie who carries a full NMC for the next 5.5 years.

Do you think the owners want to go into tank mode when fans are coming back next year? With next years draft being a complete crapshoot a top 5 pick is not worth what it usually is.

Well said...team has made the playoffs the last two years on a team that has holes in their roster...time to reset...get a good draft pick and shed some salary....would love to see Lucic, Gio, or Backlund of the books...but good luck with that in today's harsh reality of fiscal uncertainty

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Tell me what team went into a rebuild when 6 of their top 7 forwards are 22-27 and 3 of their top 5 D are 24 or younger? They just signed a goalie who carries a full NMC for the next 5.5 years.

Do you think the owners want to go into tank mode when fans are coming back next year? With next years draft being a complete crapshoot a top 5 pick is not worth what it usually is.

Of course they don't want to. That's kind of the point. They seem content with the squeeking into the playoffs and first round exits.

At the end of the day the age of the players shouldn't really matter. They have proven for half a decade they don't have what it takes and the clock is ticking. This teams trajectory is down not up so if you want to sell fake hope to fans for a few more years sure. It's only going to result in a longer tougher road that appears inevitable. This is the Iginla Era repeating itself.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I disagree we have a team that is playing crappy right now but I don’t think this is a crappy team.

You went from ripping Treliving to claiming he was back to an elite level when he signed Markstrom and are back to hating now. Your emotions go heavy from one spectrum to the next rather quickly.

While this Flames core has not got it done in the playoffs but they have got there more often than the have missed. I am firmly of the belief that a legit coach is the number 1 thing this team needs and I am full on giving Tkachuk the C and Gio taking a backseat as he slides down the depth chart.

Tkachuk hasn’t done anything in the NHL playoffs but this guy scored an overtime winner to win the Memorial Cup.

Look at what Ottawa is going through and I am not convinced that is a better path for Calgary to take

I agree, and I would like to reiterate what I said in the Trade thread-we have a good enough roster on paper. Our team has star players, just like other teams-Gaudreau is a former 99pt player. Lindholm and Tkachuk are star players. Markstrom was one of the best goalies in the league for the last few years. Our D is in the top third of the league, at least-most of the teams in our division would trade their D for ours. It's coaching and execution that are the main problems right now. You give this roster to an elite coach, and watch it turn right around.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I really admire the optimism, but what signs have you seen that they are about to turn it around?

I know its a shorten season and its after jan 1 but the Flames quite often suck in October and November and show no signs of being a good team....then December comes. Based on games played its almost December

Also they have had an embarrassing loss rally them in the past. Next 10 games are big and next 2 are huge. If they play well and beat Toronto still time in this season

If not trade Gio and Backlund and retool a bit with younger group or trade Gio and Bennett.

Blow it up is just stupid with a team this young. If we keep losing and sell at deadline its possible to get a top 5 pick. There is only 2 really bad teams. Win the lottery and this team could draft their top center. Would be nice to have some other very good players to go with him

[Mindtravellee]

Has any other team kept there top powerplay together for the last 3 years (or longer?)? Could another change be keeping Mangiapane on the top line?

Flames top lines have become stale, although I do wonder if they're still learning the play style which is causing these mistakes due to the shortened preseason. Not much changed at the restart and they haven't even been back to NHL hockey for 2 months yet.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Mindtravellee

Has any other team kept there top powerplay together for the last 3 years (or longer?)? Could another change be keeping Mangiapane on the top line?

Flames top lines have become stale, although I do wonder if they're still learning the play style which is causing these mistakes due to the shortened preseason. Not much changed at the restart and they haven't even been back to NHL hockey for 2 months yet.

That would make sense. It could take awhile to give a ####.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I know its a shorten season and its after jan 1 but the Flames quite often suck in October and November and show no signs of being a good team....then December comes. Based on games played its almost December

Also they have had an embarrassing loss rally them in the past. Next 10 games are big and next 2 are huge. If they play well and beat Toronto still time in this season

If not trade Gio and Backlund and retool a bit with younger group or trade Gio and Bennett.

Blow it up is just stupid with a team this young. If we keep losing and sell at deadline its possible to get a top 5 pick. There is only 2 really bad teams. Win the lottery and this team could draft their top center. Would be nice to have some other very good players to go with him

If this embarrassing loss lights a fire and they take off it would be nice. I guess they did rally after that 9-1 whooping from the Pens.

[Britflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Tell me what team went into a rebuild when 6 of their top 7 forwards are 22-27 and 3 of their top 5 D are 24 or younger? They just signed a goalie who carries a full NMC for the next 5.5 years.

Do you think the owners want to go into tank mode when fans are coming back next year? With next years draft being a complete crapshoot a top 5 pick is not worth what it usually is.

Depends if you think this group is capable of winning the Stanley Cup. They have proved for several years that they are nowhere near. Small, slow and very soft, teams know that all they have to do is ramp up the intensity and get physical and our core disappears.

If you are honest with yourself you know this lot are not getting it done so unless you are happy to sit back and watch this group fail every year then it is time to move on. A good Gm will get some good players back and we start again. As an organisation they are nowhere near ruthless enough, they hange onto old favourite players until they cant get a decent return or they walk. If we are not careful JG will walk and I cannot see our 8 million dollar man hanging around either. As a side point do we really want to pay him 9M+. He is not worth 6M at the moment.

[Coach]

I'll admit. I open CP every day hoping to see a thread that Ward is done. I think there is a contending collection of players here. Maybe Treliving should go too, I'm not 100% on that. But changing the GM right now won't help this season. Changing the coach might.

[Stanley]

Would have kinda liked to see Hextall/Burkie in Cgy tbqh

...although I'm not always sold on Burkie's decisions

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Would have kinda liked to see Hextall/Burkie in Cgy tbqh

...although I'm not always sold on Burkie's decisions

IMO Burke is responsible for the big picture mandate failure of this rebuild (running before we could walk, just like he did in TOR). Since then it's been throwing good money after bad.

I think there have been plenty of opportunities to re-tool...one could argue that BT has tried to a certain extent, though certainly not a sufficient alteration of the core for me. Maybe ownership tied his hands on that, though it's hard to say whether BT has ever had the 'intellectual honesty' to see that kind of change was necessary.

[Hackey]

I'd rather see them make a coaching change than a trade. This is a terrible time to get value in a trade and I don't think a trade is the answer. I don't think any coach on Earth turns them into a contender but it's the easiest move with the highest upside.

[Brodie66]

Brad's gotta go

[TheIronMaiden]

I don't think half measures will be enough. This version of the Flames have run their course. I think its time BT made a short list, and loaded up on picks. The Flames have some good young pieces so if they play things right they could be back to a playoff team in 2 years. That said, re-tooling on the fly will only lead to more water treading, big moves need to happen.

[Iggy Snipe]

Blow it up

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'd rather see them make a coaching change than a trade. This is a terrible time to get value in a trade and I don't think a trade is the answer. I don't think any coach on Earth turns them into a contender but it's the easiest move with the highest upside.

Upside to what? Out in 5 games in the first round?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by theironmaiden

i don't think half measures will be enough. This version of the flames have run their course. i think its time bt get canned .

fyp

[SoulOfTheFlame]

Actually I don't think I've ever felt as bad about the team as I do now. Been following them for 32 years. If they stay the course and don't make major changes this season then it's all aboard the Kraken bandwagon for me.

This third jersey concept looks even better than blasty:

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Iggy Snipe

Blow it up

It’s wildly obvious isn’t it?

[Mathgod]

Yes.

Aside from Mangi and a few others, I don't know if there are any untouchables on this team right now.