There is more to stats when evaluating players. What the Flames (management, coaches and players) like about Valimaki and Andersson over Kylington is poise. Like Giordano said, you can’t teach it, you either have it or you don’t. Kylington has the best physical skills of the three but he lacks the poise of the other two. Poise may be one of the most important attributes in a defenseman.
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Feels like the Sens are playing a game of chicken. A year ago they did this with Karlsson and didn't get a deal done, despite good deals apparently being on the table. This year they can't afford not to get a deal done as the player walks for nothing.
So they may feel like they have the leverage right now, but as the deadline approaches it will be a pinch point and leverage shifts to the potential buyers.
I have confidence GMBT won't blink first. He's proven to be a good negotiator in trades and contracts. Walk away from the table for now, and tomorrow in the final hours - come back with an appropriate offer.
Well said. I don’t personally expect a Stone deal today.
Yeah. Seems like a silly fantasy people create because they're uncomfortable with the idea that the Flames are considering moving more than they'd like. I seriously doubt professional GM's throw in fake bids to drive up price very often, if at all.
Tre says he likes having lots of irons in the fire.
My guess is that through this negotiation he made his best offer and that’s that. He will keep taking to Dorian to see if things change. But the Calgary offer sets the price and then Dorian goes off to try and get something better. That ties up Jets and Knights a fair bit, if they beat the Flames offer Tre can feel good that they over paid.
Meanwhile he is poking other fires.
That’s not fantasy if you ask me.
No one said anything about fake bids. But I should have clearer in my post.
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put your best offer on the table and say its there until 11:59pm on Monday...
I'd move to other targets at this point
Pretty sure the actual deadline is at 3pm ET, in the middle of the day.
But he should do it anyway as it would probably cause much confusion and the Sens GM would cave because he thinks Tre is pulling some wizard mind trick on him.
Pretty sure the actual deadline is at 3pm ET, in the middle of the day.
But he should do it anyway as it would probably cause much confusion and the Sens GM would cave because he thinks Tre is pulling some wizard mind trick on him.
ah... well whenever it is, that's the time stamp.
in the meantime, work on the other deals as well...and if your #1 deal doesn't work out by that internal deadline, do deal #2 and so on...
I like Stone, but a) Calgary didn't get to be 2nd overall with a bunch of scrubs and b) Deadline day is littered with trades supposed to put teams over the top but did nothing for said teams.
Unlike Winnipeg/Nashville/vegas, Calgary's prospect base is thin...trading the few prospects you have has to come at the right price.
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if you are giving up Kylington instead of your 2020 1st for a signed Stone is that not better? You know exactly what you are giving up. that 2020 first might become a lottery pick.
I think the player getting overlooked in all of this is Hanifin when it comes to considering the depth of the team's defense, especially on that left side, going forward.
When you're trying to decide of whether to trade Valimaki or Kylington, you're effectively making the decision on who would be the team's third pairing d-man in five years, assuming Gio is done by then.
There is no trading Valimaki IMO. He’s about as untouchable as anybody on the roster. I think it’s still up in the air which of Valimaki and Hanifin end up replacing Gio on left D.
Personally I wouldn’t be trading any of the young dmen unless OTT really places high value on Kylington. Not sure he’s as highly regarded league wide as we value him. I’d base the deal around picks and players like Dube or Mangiapane.
I think Kylington’s value is only going to increase. Selling him now because you’re worried about the expansion draft is incorrect because he’ll be worth more in a year or two. Selling him to get Mark Stone? If Treliving makes the deal I’ll probably find it palatable, I trust his instincts about young dmen.
if you are giving up Kylington instead of your 2020 1st for a signed Stone is that not better? You know exactly what you are giving up. that 2020 first might become a lottery pick.
the rumored ask was 2x1s (one conditional) and kylington + dube
the argument with Kylington and Dube is that you don't know what they are either... its not a lottery ticket like a draft pick, but young players can development a lot more after 40 games in the league...
if you are giving up Kylington instead of your 2020 1st for a signed Stone is that not better? You know exactly what you are giving up. that 2020 first might become a lottery pick.
Good luck getting someone better than Kylington with a Flames 2020 1st. That's all I can say.
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The problem with trading Kylington is that it creates a hole in the roster for the post season. In fact, using the same logic, the only roster player I see as available is jankowski and czarnik. The fourth line is killing it and while janko is great on the PK, he is a defensive liability 5-on-5 and is the weak spot on the third line. Would be much better to replace him with Lindholm or Backlund if Stone gets a top-6 role.
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The fact Gullfoss is not banned for life on here is such an embarrassment. Just a joke.
The value of young established NHL dmen with Kylingtons upside is through the roof. He'd be worth a late first + this summer if they decide to move him.
Not saying I am against including him but when u look at the bar set by the Duchene trade kylington is worth one of those firsts not on par with a B grade prospect miles from the NHL who might never play an NHL game.
If he's in the deal he should be the centrepiece.
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The problem with trading Kylington is that it creates a hole in the roster for the post season. In fact, using the same logic, the only roster player I see as available is jankowski and czarnik. The fourth line is killing it and while janko is great on the PK, he is a defensive liability 5-on-5 and is the weak spot on the third line. Would be much better to replace him with Lindholm or Backlund if Stone gets a top-6 role.
When Valimaki is healthy do you play him over Kylington? I do. Bumps Kylington to 7th man and not playing anyway. He's not surpassing Gio or Hanifin anytime soon. I say use the asset as currency and get Stone.
3rd (Conditional to increase on Calgary Winning in playoffs, becomes first with 2 rounds won)
2nd (Conditional on Stone re-signing becomes first)
Kylington
Dube
Frolik (Cap & gives Ott a warm body under contract next season getting them to the floor)
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Originally Posted by oilboy2 This deal is DONE, im not sure what the worry is. Heatly is an Oiler, just some paperwork to get done. This isnt another Nylander incident
