[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Cortez

Gulutzan will be relieved of his duties and Tippett will be the flames next head coach.

I don't buy any of the rumors of Tippett to Dallas. He will be the flames next head coach. You can book it. Right or wrong that is who BT wants as our next head coach

And I will book a whole lot of better things to do next season then watch the Arizona Flames. F that.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I wonder if JQ will be available?

hahaha I think I heard - but i'm not sure - that he will be staying with Chicago

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by UKflames

I wonder if the players suddenly thought that if they got into the playoffs again they would end up with another year of GG, so dropped the effort level. I know this goes against the grain of proffesional players dont tank on purpose but it I like a good conspiracy theory.

Extremely doubtful. I can't possibly imagine the players at this point revolting against Gulutzan - a player's coach - when they revolted against Hartley for being too tough.

I know if I am Treliving and I find this to be true, I would be looking for a coach that makes Hartley look downright lovable, even if I have to scour Russia.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And I will book a whole lot of better things to do next season then watch the Arizona Flames. F that.

I don't know man. I think Tippett would really surprise a lot of people. He gets a bad rap for his time in Pheonix but what did he really have to work with? I think he's a good coach and would do well here

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Does he do something with this information immediately afterwards? Or could he examine replays later, say during intermission?

I couldn't give 2 cents about him looking at an iPad after a goal, and it's far from the biggest problem this team faces, but even the GM has talked about how the team handles pressure and adversity so perhaps the coaching staff should think about what they can do in this regard. And it's possible that the moment after a goal is the time to reinforce certain messages to the team vs. video analysis.

It seems apparent the mental makeup of the team is not where it needs to be, so questioning the demeanor and actions of the coaching staff during the game doesn't seem totally ridiculous to me.

Can you think of other great coaches who do film review during the game? It seems like more of an after game type thing to do.

At some point you have to ask yourself why this coaching staff couldn't get more out of this team. I am not too hard on posters who are trying to answer that question.

I spent some time with Dr. Peter Jensen who is a well known sports psychologist and worked with a lot of the Canadian Olympic hockey teams over the last several decades. He described how the Canadian women went through hundreds of scenarios prior to going to Sochi. Every player had a specific non playing role to the team in very specific situations. Eg. Team goes down by a goal late in gold medal game. Tendency of team is to get deflated and go quiet. They play bad when they’re quiet on the bench. Too tight, worried they’ll make another mistake and let down their teammates. Immediately, everyone starting with the coach to the trainer to the 4th line player who won’t be playing another shift to the 1st line goal scorer starts to engage pre determined roles to ensure they reset quickly in a positive direction instead of going quiet and becoming deflated. Lots of specific chatter. One person yells out how much time is left, one person barks out key game plan notes (shoot low blocker on this goalie), etc... Coach plays a big role in reinforcing belief in players vocally and with pats on the back to generate positive energy. The list of what the team would need to do in the 20 seconds after a goal in a specific situation was unbelieveable.

I had this in the back of my head all season when the team would let in a goal, go quiet and look deflated (I get that you don’t see everything that’s happening on the bench while watching on tv)... which on many occasions saw them give up another goal in quick succession.

Initially I didn’t really care too much about the iPad thing, but over time, it struck me that as much as GG probably considers it a prudent coaching maneuver to gain insight into the play, he’s staring at the trees and missing the forest.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Cortez

I don't know man. I think Tippett would really surprise a lot of people. He gets a bad rap for his time in Pheonix but what did he really have to work with? I think he's a good coach and would do well here

Tippetts power struggle with Maloney led to Maloney getting ousted in Phoenix. I highly highly doubt Tre brings Tippett in with Maloney still here and especially if tre and Maloney are boys.

[browna]

AV is likely on way out, he’s not a rebuild guy, with what the Rangers are now.

JQ is likely staying, but his availability was always more about if he wants to stay there through that rebuild, and instead try a different challenge, than whether he was going to be fired. So there’s always a chance.

GG on the IPad as much as he is seems a bit silly. It really doesn’t matter in the scheme of things, but it just looks comical as much as he does it. Never mind He’s got two assistants and a dedicated video guy that can radio down.

You don’t see coaches like Torts or Queneville or AV with their head buried, it’s their assistants.

Not sure if mentioned but Bill Peters coaching WC team. As mentioned he has an option out of his contract this summer and I think he’s going to use it.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

I spent some time with Dr. Peter Jensen who is a well known sports psychologist and worked with a lot of the Canadian Olympic hockey teams over the last several decades. He described how the Canadian women went through hundreds of scenarios prior to going to Sochi. Every player had a specific non playing role to the team in very specific situations. Eg. Team goes down by a goal late in gold medal game. Tendency of team is to get deflated and go quiet. They play bad when they’re quiet on the bench. Too tight, worried they’ll make another mistake and let down their teammates. Immediately, everyone starting with the coach to the trainer to the 4th line player who won’t be playing another shift to the 1st line goal scorer starts to engage pre determined roles to ensure they reset quickly in a positive direction instead of going quiet and becoming deflated. Lots of specific chatter. One person yells out how much time is left, one person barks out key game plan notes (shoot low blocker on this goalie), etc... Coach plays a big role in reinforcing belief in players vocally and with pats on the back to generate positive energy. The list of what the team would need to do in the 20 seconds after a goal in a specific situation was unbelieveable.

I had this in the back of my head all season when the team would let in a goal, go quiet and look deflated (I get that you don’t see everything that’s happening on the bench while watching on tv)... which on many occasions saw them give up another goal in quick succession.

Initially I didn’t really care too much about the iPad thing, but over time, it struck me that as much as GG probably considers it a prudent coaching maneuver to gain insight into the play, he’s staring at the trees and missing the forest.

Sounds similar to what hartley did. Had the bench goalies tracking shot stats keeping them engaged in the game. Im sure there was a bunch of that stuff on the bench with them.

[Cortez]

I'm not sure I can say this enough- but if BT has is way then Dave Tippett will be our next head coach

[Ozy_Flame]

I'm still floored at how Gully managed to impress Treliving to hire him, given his NHL track record to date.

Seriously, I want Treliving to write a book when he's retired and explain this. I cannot think of any other reason other than he wanted a pillow for a coach to baby the players, as opposed to the tough love from Bob Hartley. Also would like some insight on how the Dave Cameron hiring came to be - nothing from Cameron indicated he would be a good fit or build a coaching strategy that could improve the PP.

It aggravates me just thinking about these hires.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Said it before and I'll say it again but I doubt AV leaves NY this year. They are not going to pay him $4 million this year to do nothing when they don't even know really how long of a rebuild is going to be. Think they will try him out with younger group first before showing him the door.

They may keep the guy for other reasons, but I've never known the Rangers to be a franchise that would let something silly like money stop them from doing what they want.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm still floored at how Gully managed to impress Treliving to hire him, given his NHL track record to date.

Seriously, I want Treliving to write a book when he's retired and explain this. I cannot think of any other reason other than he wanted a pillow for a coach to baby the players, as opposed to the tough love from Bob Hartley.

It aggravates me just thinking about these hires.

GG is a smart guy and a smart tactical coach and student of the theoretical game. There is an hour chat of him doing a coaches conference on YouTube fwiw.

But all the theory and stats and tactical and opponent preparation isn’t quite enough. Adaptability, making changes in game based on game feel, and being able to push players past their limits at certain times is also needed to be successful, and he lacks that ability and credibility and trust from his players to be able to lead them...more importantly, yes he doesn’t have that success in the NHL for players to look to in trying to trust him.

A great assistant probably, just not the leader that a team like this needs to push.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm still floored at how Gully managed to impress Treliving to hire him, given his NHL track record to date.

Seriously, I want Treliving to write a book when he's retired and explain this. I cannot think of any other reason other than he wanted a pillow for a coach to baby the players, as opposed to the tough love from Bob Hartley. Also would like some insight on how the Dave Cameron hiring came to be - nothing from Cameron indicated he would be a good fit or build a coaching strategy that could improve the PP.

It aggravates me just thinking about these hires.

We will never know all the details, but perhaps it had something to do with Tortorella (head coach) moving on and experiencing some success with Columbus, and then Mike Sullivan moving on and experiencing massive success with the Penguins and completely turning them around. I would assume that those teams (Columbus and Pittsburgh) emulated how Treliving wanted Calgary to play... though of course it is just a flat-out guess. I am sure Gulutzan came in with a very sound plan and the organization liked what he seemed to be bringing to the table, probably liked Gulutzan the person, and saw the success that his former coaching team were having. At least these were things that they probably looked at anyway.

[Psytic]

We need to foster a culture of winning and the Coyotes know a thing or two about winning. If we cant get an ex Oiler coach like Dallas Eakins or keep an ex Canucks assistant coach like GG then we should obviously go after Tippett. These organizations clearly know how to win and groom good coaching candidates.

[activeStick]

I can see Trotz being let go if WSH doesn't get to the eastern finals at the very least and I think it'll be tough for them to do that this year.

I'd imagine Treliving would look at trotz if he needs a coach at that time.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Psytic

We need to foster a culture of winning and the Coyotes know a thing or two about winning. If we cant get an ex Oiler coach like Dallas Eakins or keep an ex Canucks assistant coach like GG then we should obviously go after Tippett. These organizations clearly know how to win and groom good coaching candidates.

I would almost agree except tippet did get the Coyotes as far as the Western conference finals. No team was beating L.A that year tho.

Tippet was also working with what the NHL would allow them to spend.

In Dallas he was great .

[UKflames]

Getting Trotz would be great but similar to JQ & AV I just can't see any of them being available. I think there are going to be some very disappointed fans once the new coach is in place because that grade A winning coach just isnt available this year.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I would almost agree except tippet did get the Coyotes as far as the Western conference finals. No team was beating L.A that year tho.

I want to win and have an entertaining hockey team. I'm not seeing the entertainment value with Tippet. One Cinderella team with 97 points doesn't give me any confidence, we have one of those every year in the NHL. The team was incredibly boring to watch. With JQ announcing he is staying with the Hawks we are basically down to Sutter who isn't that different but I do like him a heck of a lot more than Tippett, or AV. I would take either of these guys over Tippet. If I have to choose between Tippet and GG I would welcome Tippet with open arms however.

[CroFlames]

Man if they Flames won the Cup with Coach V, Canucks land would implode haha.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Cortez

I'm not sure I can say this enough- but if BT has is way then Dave Tippett will be our next head coach

Inside knowledge or your own speculation?