[Trade] Flames acquire Mike Smith (25% retained) for Chad Johnson, Brandon Hickey, & cond 3rd

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Will be very interesting to see what Elliott ends up getting and from who.

Smart money is on Winnipeg. Been lots of rumours about that one.

[sureLoss]

Ryan Leslie @ryanleslie73
Spoke with Tkachuk who is training with Smith in Ontario. Says he's true difference maker...

Ryan Leslie @ryanleslie73
(2/2)..Tkachuk mentioned Dvorak told him Smith is like another player back there with way he handles the puck. Will help Flames D big time.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by debil

Lost Hickey and 2nd/3rd for Elliot 2.0. pathetic trade.

Would have lost a 3rd if we traded or signed Elliott.

Hickey was looking like he was gonna walk anyways - could still walk on the Yotes.

Elliott is no doubt looking for more money than 4.25 and more term than 2 years.

See Roof-daddy's post

This is a great trade and is exactly the stop gap we needed in the goalie position. Gillies/Rittich/Parsons one of these guys should be pushing for the backup this year and hopefully starter in the following year.

[Hoop27]

3 year @ 3-4M from the Coyotes?

Originally Posted by Yoho

Will be very interesting to see what Elliott ends up getting and from who.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

For anyone tbat loves this trade Convince me how a 35 year old Elliott goalie is a better situation than a 32 year old Elliott calibre of goalie?
Mike Smith and Brian Elliott are pretty much the same level of goalie that is a fact.

I guess you don't know what the word fact means lol

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by JJolg

If flames management believed they are the same goalie do you think we would have moved on from elliott?

The facts show Smith did more last year with a far worse team, can play the puck and is signed for the optimal number of years. After watching the playoff performance if you are happy to bring elliott back then you should at least give Smith a chance.

Neither are an impact on a game both Smith and Elliott are interchangeable. The only thing and repeat the only thing is Smith has more games as a starter.
This is a lead pipe for lead a lead pipe not a brick of gold..

[Azhouse]

Stampede City Smitty come on down!

[bob-loblaw]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The condition was if the Flames signed him or if they traded him.

So we have our third rounder back in this draft then instead of giving it to St. Louis because of Elliott, and now it's been traded to Phoenix?

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Just leave then. This isn't a big deal... Elliott/Johnson made sense in theory, it was an intelligent, well thought out move. Didn't work out though, that's life. Not always predictable. We weren't getting Carey Price or Schneider. We needed a goalie to be provide stable goaltending until one of our young guys (maybe) steps up. That's what this is. Management believes in our young guys, so it didn't make much sense to get Raanta or Grubauer(also may have not been a possibility).

Relax. We have a good team. We aren't in our window yet... we are a playoff team. This is our first step after the rebuild. If we reach the contender stage it likely isn't for another 3 years.


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How long is this rebuild if we won't reach the contender stage until 3 years from now?! Johnny and Monahan are no longer value contracts. I don't think Treliving will see out the rebuild if he was planning on needing 6-7 years.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Except Smith was not the one that lead us to a round one sweep.

Like most things these days pro sports is a what have you done for me lately business.

Our options were limited.

Our options were many and varied

[tsquared1967]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

For anyone tbat loves this trade Convince me how a 35 year old Elliott goalie is a better situation than a 32 year old Elliott calibre of goalie?
Mike Smith and Brian Elliott are pretty much the same level of goalie that is a fact.

Mike Smith and Brian Elliott are not pretty much the same level of goalie. Mike Smith has stolen games for his team because of the poor defense in front of him. Brian Elliott has played behind stellar defense in front of him and didn't steal any games last year. Brian cost the Flames games last year with soft goals even during his winning streak he gave up soft goals. Mike Smith can handle the puck and will help the defensemen. Brian Elliott was brutal last year causing so many giveaways in his zone.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

So we have our third rounder back in this draft then instead of giving it to St. Louis because of Elliott, and now it's been trade to Phoenix?

Arizona gets their 2018 pick, not this year.

[bob-loblaw]

Trevling's assessment of trade.

https://twitter.com/NHLFlames/status/876160402907742208

[Reggie Dunlop]

Not sure I like this deal.

Hickey's nice to have, but still a ways from making the NHL. The Flames have a number of defencemen prospects roughly in about the same tier.

Would've preferred a 24-28-ish goaltender even if it meant moving Gillies.

[Prufrock]

I hope the tandem next year is:
Smith
Gillies

Give Gillies a look with some sheltered starts while Smith has a proven ability to carry a starters workload (unlike Elliott).
This also gives Parsons a spot, and hopefully a good amount of starts, in the AHL alongside Rittich.

I like Johnson, but I'd rather give Gillies a try at this point.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by saillias

Our options were many and varied

There were no clear choices.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

Trevling's assessment of trade.

https://twitter.com/NHLFlames/status/876160402907742208

--> 35 years old
--> "as athletic as anyone"


Wat could possibly go wrong.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

How long is this rebuild if we won't reach the contender stage until 3 years from now?! Johnny and Monahan are no longer value contracts. I don't think Treliving will see out the rebuild if he was planning on needing 6-7 years.

The rebuild is done. Becoming a contender is not guaranteed. We are a playoff team... progressing as we should be. Players typically peak around 25-29... we are a few years from that.


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

So we have our third rounder back in this draft then instead of giving it to St. Louis because of Elliott, and now it's been trade to Phoenix?

No, our 3rd rounder in 2017 goes to Arizona for Stone.

Our 3rd rounder in 2018 was conditional to STL on re-signing or trading Elliott.

That pick is now Arizona's unless the Flames make the playoffs next season, then they get our 2018 2nd rounder instead.

[JJolg]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Neither are an impact on a game both Smith and Elliott are interchangeable. The only thing and repeat the only thing is Smith has more games as a starter.
This is a lead pipe for lead a lead pipe not a brick of gold..

We don't know what Smith will be so that is a wait and see however after one year and one playoffs we know that Elliott did have an impact on games and a series.

Im not saying that Smith is our savior who knows he might be better or worse but the price was fair and we have a starting goalie who has been one in the past.