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Old 06-05-2017, 09:15 AM   #561
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Gabe Vilardi (C), #4 on Button's mock draft:
Kind of sums up why this draft is weak, Pt totals fit more of a a guy going 10-15 but he's gonna go top 5. Plays a similar game to Tkachuk at center but without the same passing ability. Interesting player but needs to work alot on his foot speed, very slow.
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Kind of sums up why this draft is weak, Pt totals fit more of a a guy going 10-15 but he's gonna go top 5. Plays a similar game to Tkachuk at center but without the same passing ability. Interesting player but needs to work alot on his foot speed, very slow.
I said that about Tkachuk s skating last year too. I seriously do not mind the serving of crow I ate while I had a bunch of egg on my face.
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ISS hockey has Vesalainen at 19. If he drops to us I would totally be all for it. Kid is still young but has great vision and skates like the wind.
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:12 PM   #565
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Kind of sums up why this draft is weak, Pt totals fit more of a a guy going 10-15 but he's gonna go top 5. Plays a similar game to Tkachuk at center but without the same passing ability. Interesting player but needs to work alot on his foot speed, very slow.
People that have watched him play think he has an upside that exceeds Leon Draisaitl. I wanted him so bad when it looked like we were drafting top 5 in December.
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Old 06-05-2017, 05:26 PM   #566
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I said that about Tkachuk s skating last year too. I seriously do not mind the serving of crow I ate while I had a bunch of egg on my face.
To be fair Tkachuk's skating is still awful, among the worst in the league.

The rest of his game is so complete that it more than makes up for it but man if he could skate even at Ferland's level he'd be right up there will Johnny in terms of being able to do everything himself. I expect it to get better but there's only so much one can do obviously.
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To be fair Tkachuk's skating is still awful, among the worst in the league.

The rest of his game is so complete that it more than makes up for it but man if he could skate even at Ferland's level he'd be right up there will Johnny in terms of being able to do everything himself. I expect it to get better but there's only so much one can do obviously.
Very wrong.
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To be fair Tkachuk's skating is still awful, among the worst in the league.

The rest of his game is so complete that it more than makes up for it but man if he could skate even at Ferland's level he'd be right up there will Johnny in terms of being able to do everything himself. I expect it to get better but there's only so much one can do obviously.
Look at how much Draisaitl improved his lousy skating. Even Tavares made major improvements. I'm hoping Tkachuk and Monahan work on skating a lot this summer. Bennett has vowed to come into training camp faster and stronger.
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:18 PM   #569
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We're doing a series of 'Top Fives' and have started to roll them out, featuring the Top Five forwards for the 2017 NHL Draft:

https://futureconsiderations.ca/patr...aft-eligibles/
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Old 06-06-2017, 10:23 AM   #570
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Where did you read that? IQ has been one of his strengths from what I looked up about him.

http://thecanuckway.com/2017/04/26/v...c-ostap-safin/



The Hockey Writers didn't make a mention of his IQ at all, which is a bit surprising to me. Not good, not bad - just absolutely no mention.

LWOS didn't provide any info on his IQ either, but they did provide 2 different comments that I guess you can interpret as IQ. One was concerning, the other one was great.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2017/06/...-nhl-draft-66/

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FC doesn't provide any insight into his IQ either.

I don't think the Flames draft him anyways. He is ranked in the late 1st round until the middle of the 2nd round. There are players I definitely seem to like better than Safin, but Safin is a very intriguing prospect. Players of his size with his quickness and speed and potential offensive upside (he is known for his lethal shot and his speed) is something that NHL teams simply covet. Will be interesting to see when he gets drafted. If the Flames do end up taking him at 16, then they must really, really like him. I think it is more likely that if they like him, they do a trade down and grab a second, and hopefully address goaltending.

I also really like Lias. There are actually a solid handful of prospects that I do think project well that may be available at 16 and later. Safin wasn't on my radar at all until I saw his agenda posted up online with the Flames' interview, so naturally I looked him up and I really like what I see in him too. Definitely a very interesting prospect, and I am sure that the Flames have been scouting him for a while since they seem to be finding FAs out of the Czech Republic these days. He does seem like a smart player to me, so the reference of him having poor IQ is news to me. Where did you find it?
My biggest concern with Safin is this.

Granted I haven't seen the games. Getting video of the Czech under 20 league is not easy.

But his stats in that league are not good for a top prospect.

And I havent heard one person talk about why that is.
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Craig Button's final rankings:

http://www.tsn.ca/craig-s-list-hisch...nking-1.772654

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1. Nico Hischier, C, Halifax (QMJHL)
2. Nolan Patrick, C, Brandon (WHL)
3. Cale Makar, D, Brooks (AJHL)
4. Cody Glass, C, Portland (WHL)
5. Miro Heiskanen, D, HIFK (SM Liiga)
6. Gabe Vilardi, C, Windsor (OHL)
7. Martin Necas, C, Brno (CZE)
8. Elias Pettersson, C, Timra (SWE-Als)
9. Casey Mittelstadt, C, Green Bay (USHL)
10. Timothy Liljegren, D, Rogle (SWE)
11. Nick Suzuki, RW, Owen Sound (OHL)
12. Ryan Poehling, C, St. Cloud State (NCAA)
13. Pierre-Olivier Joseph, D, Charlottetown (QMJHL)
14. Cal Foote, D, Kelowna (WHL)
15. Eeli Tolvanen, RW, Sioux City (USHL)
16. Kailer Yamamoto, RW, Spokane (WHL)
17. Juuso Valimaki, D, Tri-City (WHL)
18. Lias Andersson, C, HV71 (SHL)
19. Erik Brannstrom, D, HV71 Jr. (SWE-J20)
20. Filip Chytil, LW, Zlin (CZE Jr.)
21. Michael Rasmussen, C, Tri-City (WHL)
22. Alexei Lipanov, C, Balashikha (MHL)
23. Owen Tippett, RW, Mississauga (OHL)
24. Klim Kostin, RW, Moscow (KHL)
25. Josh Norris, C, USA NTDP (USHL)
26. Kristian Vesalainen, LW, HPK (SM Liiga)
27. Aleksei Heponiemi, C, Swift Current (WHL)
28. Shane Bowers, C, Waterloo (USHL)
29. Jake Oettinger, G, Boston U (NCAA)
30. Conor Timmins, D, Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
31. Urho Vaakanainen, D, Jyvaskala (SM Liiga)

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Old 06-07-2017, 11:57 AM   #572
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Boy he's got Tippett low. I would be fine with Yamamoto at 16.
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:58 AM   #573
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I just wanted to give a shout-out to Love, who is a fan of PO Joseph: You were extolling the virtues (i think it was this thread?)of taking him in the first round, and i gently kinda poo-pooed it but i now can see that you were probably right about him-he's generated alot of conversation.

It would also appear by the results of the combine that he's actually over 6'2" instead of 6'0" like he's been listed since the season began. He still needs to fill out alot though (hes under 170 lbs).
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:54 PM   #574
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So it seems pretty likely we'll end up with one of these 11 or so players being in the middle of this drafting zone.

Seems decent.

11. Nick Suzuki, RW, Owen Sound (OHL)
12. Ryan Poehling, C, St. Cloud State (NCAA)
13. Pierre-Olivier Joseph, D, Charlottetown (QMJHL)
14. Cal Foote, D, Kelowna (WHL)
15. Eeli Tolvanen, RW, Sioux City (USHL)
16. Kailer Yamamoto, RW, Spokane (WHL)
17. Juuso Valimaki, D, Tri-City (WHL)
18. Lias Andersson, C, HV71 (SHL)
19. Erik Brannstrom, D, HV71 Jr. (SWE-J20)
20. Filip Chytil, LW, Zlin (CZE Jr.)
21. Michael Rasmussen, C, Tri-City (WHL)
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So it seems pretty likely we'll end up with one of these 11 or so players being in the middle of this drafting zone.
Way I see it, the draft will likely follow MacKenzie's list closely, and we will draft the guy in Button's top ten who isn't on MacKenzie's top ten.
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I agree. After checking his rankings for last year it'd be pretty easy for other teams to see who we like from his list alone. We drafted 6 players from his top 39 (tkachuk, fox, dube, parsons, Phillips and Mattson) with 46 getting a training camp invite (Burke).
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Way I see it, the draft will likely follow MacKenzie's list closely, and we will draft the guy in Button's top ten who isn't on MacKenzie's top ten.
So...Elias Pettersson, based on Bob's mid season vs Button's final rank. Only player that fits that criteria currently. Interesting to see if that changes in Bob's final list.
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https://flamesnation.ca/2017/06/07/n...-series-ohl-2/

Great article with an interview from one of the FN writers with an OHL scout.

It seems like Robert Thomas could be a good pickup going off of the great things the scout had to say about him.
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Way I see it, the draft will likely follow MacKenzie's list closely, and we will draft the guy in Button's top ten who isn't on MacKenzie's top ten.
I think you're bang on.
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From people paying closer attention... is there any chance at all that, Nick Suzuki falls to 16?
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