[News] Head coach Bob Hartley fired; Associate coach Jacques Cloutier not returning

[cannon7]

Coaching is a ruthless line of work. Goaltending took down the Flames this season and it was Treliving who brought the Ramo/Hiller tandem back. Hartley got a lot more out of his rosters than Brent Sutter did, so I hope he lands somewhere as I think he's still very much an NHL calibre coach.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

A bit surprised by this, but despite the fact that I really like the culture Bob created here, his coaching style was really nothing special. Not really upset or happy.

Pretty much my thoughts as well. Loved the guy and the can do attitude he seemed to bring, but hated his systems. Not happy or upset to see him gone. Really wish him the best and hope he gets another NHL job fast.

I find the idea of nabbing an upgrade to be very exciting.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Coaching is a ruthless line of work. Goaltending took down the Flames this season and it was Treliving who brought the Ramo/Hiller tandem back. Hartley got a lot more out of his rosters than Brent Sutter did, so I hope he lands somewhere as I think he's still very much an NHL calibre coach.

That's absurd. Goaltending took the flames down as much as awful special teams and terrible systems.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=76913


The things you learn....

This is amazing.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Do scorpions sting? I not know.

Only their words.

... only their words.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Do scorpions sting? I not know.

Originally Posted by nik-

Only their words.

... only their words.

A scorpion's sting is in its tail.

Therefore, logically, a scorpion's words only sting when he's talking out of his ass.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

A scorpion's sting is in its tail.

Therefore, logically, a scorpion's words only sting when he's talking out of his ass.

Sounds about right

[ricosuave]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...tley-1.3564964

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Does Berrezan even have any insight to what's actually going on the dressing room or is he just drawing conclusions like the rest of us based on what we've heard goes on. When I saw the comment "says previous Flames centre" I was hoping it might be from someone who actually played for Hartley.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Coaching is a ruthless line of work. Goaltending took down the Flames this season and it was Treliving who brought the Ramo/Hiller tandem back. Hartley got a lot more out of his rosters than Brent Sutter did, so I hope he lands somewhere as I think he's still very much an NHL calibre coach.

Terrible mentality.

Last year, coaching and goaltending took the team down. So why would a GM fix one, and let the other continue to take the team down?

The folks saying "this is bs, it's the goalies fault, not the coach's" think what? Goaltending was the only thing holding us back from winning the Cup? Our defensive structure was absurd - purposefully leaving opposing players in front of the net unchecked in order to block a shot is an inexcusably awful strategy. Our simplistic breakout strategy, terrible neutral zone play, and over-reliance on stretch passes made us extremely easy to coach against.

...and yes, the goalies stunk.

[MarkGio]

I can't believe people here are resorting to defamation for a man who did nothing wrong to them. How can you be critical towards those who are prejudice towards English people, then turn around and be prejudice towards the French.

Disgusting that the mods haven't removed what is clear slander

[hockey.modern]

Obviously all just speculation at this point, but..

gary lawless ‏@garylawless
Calling around and keep hearing the name Kevin Dineen as a strong candidate for #nhlflames gig

[browna]

Onwards and upwards. Said all along Hartley wasn't going to be the coach when this thing looks like it was going to the next step. Not there yet but that's because there is a guy suddenly out there or soon to be out there that will take this team to another level, with a different approach that won't be there next offseason or midseason.

Hartley was brought in as the former GM was sinking and needed someone to help him bail water and get an extra final year out of his career.

It was to try and get a veteran roster into the playoffs.
His hard handed approach didn't work for that roster. The Flames owners wised up and brought in Burke to pull the franchise out of the depths.

There wasn't a coach that Burke wanted after he came in, nor after he finally put the former GM out of his mercy. Hartley impressed enough, or rather, didn't really give Burke a reason to let him go back then.

Last year was as much a fluke for him as it was for the team, but it got him a raise and a multi year salary.

And Hartley's style was heavy handed. Some guys wanted out and got thier wish over the years because of him for reasons mentioned above. But barking at young guys only lasts so long. Special teams this year was terrible and that is teaching and coaching a system and then adapting, none of which worked out. Barking works if you get results long and short term (see Darryl Sutter), but not if you have limited success.

Treliving has to sort out the goalie situation sure. But the two headed approach worked the year before for the two guys involved. The Flames missed out probably on the UFA goalie thet went north. He also missed out on Mike Richards or some player involving a deal with him at the draft. So yeah, he has to do better. Bringing in Hamilton was great, no matter thoughts on his first season. And Treliving hasnowhere near the day to day impact that Hartley has and impresses on young players, guys who have to be handled maybe a bit differently then prior generations or eras that Hartley is used to.

Meanwhile the Flames imo have new life after this. A new coach to help guide the guys that are already above the level that Flames fans hoped, at such ages, and guys that got a look this year that need that confidence.

Finally, always wondered that after Burke got his GM, and then his coach, if he'd ride off into the sunset as far as Calgary goes, fulfilling his mandate to stabilize the ship that the owners started sinking with the hire of the previous GM. Probably a year or two away but my guess is its now sooner then later.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Know him, know a lot of people who know him. Before he made it to the NHL he was pretty prejudice towards English people. I bit my tongue while he was here, now that he's gone I'm glad.

Just so you know, there was some people on a forum not to long ago who said Burke was cheating on his wife. I hope you get the same treatment they did with your claims against Hartley.

[MarkGio]

You can't say special teams killed this club when they were ranked so high in offense. Their PK is directly tied to goaltending too.

It's clear the biggest culprit that lost games was the goaltending. You're special teams should never be relied on to win games. Not with the shadiness of NHL refs

[GranteedEV]

Just listening to Burke's interview on Hartley's firing:

- Disconnect between Treliving and Hartley on systems/special teams etc.
- Almost sounded like he was backing Hartley over Treliving.
- Says he's never "cleaned house" in any of his five stops.
- Bob a good coach, prepared coach, but hard coach. Every coach has shelf life. Players say enough at some point. Whether he hired him or not.
- In hard cap world, you can't fix things by making a big trade when team struggles.
- Turn to players, it's as much their fault as Bob's. Players not as accountable as they used to be.

[CalgaryFan1988]

nm

[drewtastic]

Head coach ousted? Uh-oh. You know what THAT means...

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't think that Hartley's style is all that terrible. I mean, apparently he was worse earlier on in his coaching career, especially in Colorado. Former players still very much respect him - not everyone, but he does have some. Tanguay talked about how good Hartley was for his career, etc. Roy is still close to Hartley and has leaned on him for coaching advice.

I am sure there will be players who absolutely hated playing for Hartley. I am sure there are players that will miss him. I think the same goes for every coach.

As for the Dineen rumors - I think it is people who are spitballing more than anything. Burke stated today that the Flames were open for a brand new up and coming coach in addition to the usual suspects. That will immediately get the media rattling-off who some of these guys who almost seem over-ripe for a chance all over the place. I think it is all speculation at this point.

[FiveSeven]

I find the timing of this perfect. Hartley is a great coach for a rebuilding team.
He works the hell out players, demands the most, holds most players accountable.
I had a coach like this, there is no denying he made me a better player, made me strive to be the best and pushed me past my limits.
Especially in playing committed to a system I didn't even fully believe in as the most effective for our team.
Sure he left an everlasting imprint but it gets old after so long.
When you beat that drum over and over that motivation becomes agitation.
I don't know about all of you, but I seen it and sensed it among players.

Hartley as I said is perfect for a rebuild. Now it's up to someone to take over and bring them the rest of the way after all the foundation has been laid. I believe that everything is going along according to plan.