08-11-2016, 09:39 AM
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#561
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Originally Posted by zukes
Glad to see we're not afraid to be pre-emptive if the evidence warrants it.
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Wait, what? People are okay with police forces on Canadian soil killing people if they've made the unilateral decision that the person must be about to do something criminal?
What the hell world are you people living in? The police don't get to decide guilt or innocence, or how much evidence is enough to conclusively determine someone's guilty. They also do not get to carry out sentences. And they sure as hell do not get to punish potential offences that haven't been committed yet.
Good lord. Stop and think for a damned minute. If they tried to arrest the guy and ended up in a situation where lethal force was necessary, that's one thing, but what a couple of people are suggesting is absolutely insane.
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08-11-2016, 09:41 AM
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#562
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Yes are people missing that he set off a BOMB before police shot him?
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08-11-2016, 09:43 AM
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#563
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Wait, what? People are okay with police forces on Canadian soil killing people if they've made the unilateral decision that the person must be about to do something criminal?
What the hell world are you people living in? The police don't get to decide guilt or innocence, or how much evidence is enough to conclusively determine someone's guilty. They also do not get to carry out sentences. And they sure as hell do not get to punish potential offences that haven't been committed yet.
Good lord. Stop and think for a damned minute. If they tried to arrest the guy and ended up in a situation where lethal force was necessary, that's one thing, but what a couple of people are suggesting is absolutely insane.
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And that is exactly what happened, the RCMP simply didn't snuff him out because they thought he posed a threat.
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08-11-2016, 09:44 AM
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#564
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I was listening to the radio and it was interesting that they made it sound more like a preemptive take down than an actual confrontation. Almost like an assassination of someone they had evidence was about to do something. They said they were watching him for some time and knew he was about to do something, so they took him down.
I guess we will hear more about it at the presser later.
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CBC is reporting that he had already detonated a bomb injuring himself and one other. He was about to detonate a second when police shot him.
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08-11-2016, 09:47 AM
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#565
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Originally Posted by FLAME ENVY
And that is exactly what happened, the RCMP simply didn't snuff him out because they thought he posed a threat.
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That's what I got out of the article. This wasn't some pre-emptive assassination. The fact that a couple of people seem to be suggesting that that sort of thing happens - or should happen - is bonkers.
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08-11-2016, 10:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
That's what I got out of the article. This wasn't some pre-emptive assassination. The fact that a couple of people seem to be suggesting that that sort of thing happens - or should happen - is bonkers.
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I was just going by what they described on the radio. An officer said that a terrorist suspect was identified as about to do something imminent and they took necessary measures to remove the risk. Not a direct quote, but it didn't sound like an "arrest" type of situation. It's unclear right now until they give more information when the explosive went off. It may have been a hasty move when he saw the RCMP show up and he decided to try and go to the Allah Snack Bar.
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08-11-2016, 10:33 AM
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#567
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
That's what I got out of the article. This wasn't some pre-emptive assassination. The fact that a couple of people seem to be suggesting that that sort of thing happens - or should happen - is bonkers.
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If there is immediate danger, the cops should take action.
If a guy is about to let off and explosive or has a gun to another person's head, the cops should take out the perp before the crime happens.
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08-11-2016, 10:40 AM
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#568
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Yes, obviously if someone is in the course of committing a crime, police response is necessary. If safety demands, at that point, you might have to shoot the guy. But that's only in a scenario where arresting him isn't feasible.
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08-11-2016, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Wait, what? People are okay with police forces on Canadian soil killing people if they've<;/i> made the unilateral decision that the person must be about to do something criminal?
What the hell world are you people living in? The police don't get to decide guilt or innocence, or how much evidence is enough to conclusively determine someone's guilty. They also do not get to carry out sentences. And they sure as hell do not get to punish potential offences that haven't been committed yet.
Good lord. Stop and think for a damned minute. If they tried to arrest the guy and ended up in a situation where lethal force was necessary, that's one thing, but what a couple of people are suggesting is absolutely insane.
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Pre-emptive action in that the RCMP heard that this guy was planning to go to a public place and suicide bomb and went to investigate. That is the action I was speaking of.
They showed up at his place to investigate, dude tries to blow up a bomb and they already know he plans to do another in a public place, they ice him. Good!
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08-11-2016, 11:58 AM
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#570
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If only there were some sort of report we could get in advance of when violent crimes are going to occur. Police wouldn't use if for most of their business, just extremely violent or damaging crimes, which would be by and large the minority of crimes.
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08-11-2016, 12:49 PM
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Haha, there's some follow up explanations in here once the absurdity was pointed out, but I'm sure at least one of the guys in this thread is backtracking and actually thought the police got info that someone was a terrorist with a possible imminent plan, met up with him and just straight up assassinated him before anything potentially happened AND thought "good to see we're preemptive here in Canada".
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08-11-2016, 12:57 PM
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Flames addiction appeared to be pretty sure it was a preemptive takedown based on the cops having information that a crime was about to be committed and was "pleasantly surprised" at the take no **** attitude.
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Originally Posted by zukes
That's pretty close to home. I live 30 minutes from Strathroy, my in-laws are 10 minutes down the road from there. Glad to see we're not afraid to be pre-emptive if the evidence warrants it.
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Zukes also originally seemed to think it was totally preemptive and was glad see we're not afraid to be that way if the evidence warrants it.
Kind of scary stuff and pretty tough to argue they thought a crime was in progress like it actually was.
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08-11-2016, 01:00 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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Haha, yeah, I was following it as it happened. Well actually my wife was and updating me since she went to high-school in Strathroy. Pretty sure I know that going to someone's place because they suspect something and executing them, is murder!
I am at work so my comments are quick. I meant pre-emptive in that the RCMP were there before the act of terror this ######-nozzle was planning came to fruition.
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Last edited by zukes; 08-11-2016 at 01:05 PM.
Reason: once again, at work and screwed up the quoting
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08-11-2016, 01:02 PM
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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I think you screwed up the quoting. I only see you quoting what I quoted with no response.
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08-11-2016, 01:09 PM
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Nostradamus
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Originally Posted by jayswin
I think you screwed up the quoting. I only see you quoting what I quoted with no response.
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fixed now
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08-11-2016, 02:23 PM
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#576
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Originally Posted by peter12
Oh the suspect was a radical Muslim? I thought he was a shunned Mormon fighting the government on its polyamory laws. Huh, well it takes all sorts.
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We don't agree on much, but this got a laugh. Well done.
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08-11-2016, 02:26 PM
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#577
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"Justin Trudeau: Friendly Putin"?
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08-11-2016, 02:29 PM
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#578
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Join Date: Apr 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zukes
I am at work so my comments are quick. I meant pre-emptive in that the RCMP were there before the act of terror this ######-nozzle was planning came to fruition.
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Sounds like he wasn't much of a threat. Detonates a bomb in the back of cab that didn't even kill him. Inspector Gadget bad guy level bomb making.
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08-11-2016, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay
Sounds like he wasn't much of a threat. Detonates a bomb in the back of cab that didn't even kill him. Inspector Gadget bad guy level bomb making.
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Clearly we're not dealing with bin Laden here, but incompetence shouldn't overshadow intent. The underwear bomber was incompetent. They didn't just strap him into the jumpseat with the flight attendents.
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08-11-2016, 02:46 PM
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#580
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Join Date: Apr 2003
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No of course not. I'm glad he sucked at bomb making as that kind of attack scares the poop out of me more than anything.
I remember watching a movie as a kid, forget which one, but there was a part where terrorists were walking down a busy street much like say 17th Ave, casually chucking a grenade through the door of each store they past. Stuck with me all this time.
Last edited by GoinAllTheWay; 08-11-2016 at 02:48 PM.
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