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View Poll Results: How do you feel about the Baertschi trade
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Flames did very well.
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15.49% |
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Flames did okay considering the circumstances
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55.18% |
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Neutral. Don't really care.
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9.30% |
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Vancouver did okay.
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Vancouver fleeced he Flames.
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03-02-2015, 04:17 PM
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#561
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Basement Chicken Choker
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Poll needs to add: "Inevitable considering Sven's poor RGI".
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03-02-2015, 04:18 PM
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#562
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
that's nice but with Sven coming to the end of his contract, and the end of his waiver protection, if the Canucks send him to the farm to finish the season, with his current attitude about playing on the farm, I'm better there's a better then 50% chance that Sven takes his talents over seas next year.
the Canucks are going to be forced to see if he's an NHL player over the last quarter of the season.
This is a boom or bust trade for the Canucks, development time on the farm is probably not an option.
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I don't know.. he sounded preety excited at the new opportunity and to play for Green's Utica Comets. He's not going to play for the Canucks this season i can preety much guarantee you that because they already have a log jam on forwards when Burrows and Richardson comes back.
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03-02-2015, 04:18 PM
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#563
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Would be wise to not acknowledge the ever so pervasive RGI. we should ignore it and let it die (E4).
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03-02-2015, 04:18 PM
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#564
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
The RGI clearly indicated that there was absolutely no room on the Flames for Baertschi for the Next 3 years... Hudler, Gaudreau, Raymond, Granlund all ahead of him for one of the 3 non-contact forward spots.
Make fun of the RGI if you want to be foolish, but in some form all NHL GMs follow it closely (except Feaster and the bunch in Edmonton) and their breaking of the RGI rule proved its validity.
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What if i told you, there was no RGI rule....
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03-02-2015, 04:19 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
@KristenOdlandCH: Just got off the phone w/Baertschi who did not have one negative thing to say about #Flames organization. Thanked fans for supporting him.
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He sounds like a real good kid.... just wasn't going to work out for him here.
I hope it doesn't work out for him in Vancouver either.... fine if its with some Eastern team though.
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03-02-2015, 04:21 PM
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#566
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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But seriously, what is the RGI? Is it similar to Corsi and Fenwick? Widely used by GM's?
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03-02-2015, 04:22 PM
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#567
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by codynw
lol
Sven asked for a trade. This has nothing to do with your ridiculous stat.
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And you don't think that Baertschi saw himself as the 5th best small forward on a team that had room for 3?
My stat was just a simple easily understandable way of quantifying what any knowledgeable hockey fan would see.
Maybe you like Burke's name for it better: More Beef
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03-02-2015, 04:22 PM
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#568
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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I voted "Vancouver did okay". While I'm not quite as put off about the trade as I was earlier, I still think Sven has it in him to be a good NHLer. And with VAN lacking in the department of youngsters with potential, It almost feels like the Flames did them a solid.
The 2015 pick is much better than the 2017 pick that was rumored however. It's good that the Flames have been able to collect that number of picks for the upcoming draft. Hopefully it pays dividends in the long run.
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03-02-2015, 04:22 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary
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You know when you watch the Spengler Cup and you hear those names that you haven't heard in years?
That will be Sven Baertschi in a few years.
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03-02-2015, 04:22 PM
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#570
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flameswin
But seriously, what is the RGI? Is it similar to Corsi and Fenwick? Widely used by GM's?
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It's literally nothing. Just forget about it. Seriously.
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03-02-2015, 04:23 PM
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#571
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Great trade. Horrible asset management. Bad trade partner.
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03-02-2015, 04:23 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
The RGI clearly indicated that there was absolutely no room on the Flames for Baertschi for the Next 3 years... Hudler, Gaudreau, Raymond, Granlund all ahead of him for one of the 3 non-contact forward spots.
Make fun of the RGI if you want to be foolish, but in some form all NHL GMs follow it closely (except Feaster and the bunch in Edmonton) and their breaking of the RGI rule proved its validity.
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03-02-2015, 04:24 PM
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#573
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Franchise Player
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@SvenBaertschi
Special thanks to Calgary, the fans & organization for the last few years- Excited to be a part of a great Vancouver Canucks organization
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03-02-2015, 04:24 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
I'll take 20% over 0%. Sven wasn't going to do anything here being the entitled princess that he is. Seriously who does he think he is? Quite the ego for a player who hasn't done anything of note since junior.
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Just to add to your point, but I wonder what are the chances that a forward who couldn't stick in the NHL before the age of 23 will have a long NHL career. Sure it happens, but most impact NHL forwards establish themselves in the league before their 23rd birthday. Sure, you get the odd late bloomer, but relatively speaking, it is rare. Given that others have passed him, it wasn't looking good. And it's not like he at least plays defensively or with energy that he can be brought in at the NHL level to develop. It's top 6 or bust for him.
As another poster mentioned.... both teams acquired unknown commodities today. The Canucks have 9 months to see if theirs will play in the NHL. We have a few years. Both have unfavorable odds though.
I am disappointed that we have to now admit that our 1st rounder from that year did not work out for us, but I am not disappointed with the trade.
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03-02-2015, 04:24 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Calgary
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Isn't it moot to compare players with AHL stats?
I mean Lance Bouma has scored more goals in the NHL than in the AHL...
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03-02-2015, 04:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by N-E-B
You know when you watch the Spengler Cup and you hear those names that you haven't heard in years?
That will be Sven Baertschi in a few years.
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Or like when you're perusing stats of familiar players in foreign leagues like Nigel Dawes and Dustin Boyd?
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03-02-2015, 04:25 PM
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#577
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy
Weisbrod's fingerprints are all over this.
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Aren't they all over Jankowski as well?
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03-02-2015, 04:26 PM
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#578
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Lifetime Suspension
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Canucks GM Jim Benning saying that they are going to give Sven Baertschi the love that he needs.
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03-02-2015, 04:26 PM
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#579
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt
Great trade. Horrible asset management. Bad trade partner.
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How is it horrible asset management when the Flames were told he would not be re-signing in Calgary. Essentially he would prefer to take his act to Europe then play for Calgary.
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03-02-2015, 04:29 PM
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#580
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by mikeecho
Aren't they all over Jankowski as well?
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Are you suggesting Jankowski's a bust?
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