[Trade] E.Kane, Bogosian, Kasdorf to Buffalo for Myers, Stafford, Armia, Lemieux and 1st

[White Out 403]

Saying he was hated by his team mates was hyperbole, but after track suit gate no one came to his defence. In fact Wheeler actually publicly said that if people couldn't confirm to how they play, they could play elsewhere.

The fact that no one came to his defense, not even one player, is really telling to me.

[Hackey]

I wouldn't expect anyone to speak up really. Kane is leaving. Everyone else still has to work together so why ruffle feathers any more and start additional problems. Regardless you completely missed the point. He was just saying we shouldn't be judging a person so harshly when we don't even know them which seems pretty reasonable.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Saying he was hated by his team mates was hyperbole, but after track suit gate no one came to his defence. In fact Wheeler actually publicly said that if people couldn't confirm to how they play, they could play elsewhere.

The fact that no one came to his defense, not even one player, is really telling to me.

Ok fair enough. So you dont know for a fact that Kane is HATED by his (former) teammates. Thats that settled. Why do people make statements like that? I dont know so I will just call you all haters. Its ok. I was a hater once.

That wheeler quote sounds like a random quote that could be taken as a few different things. Either on ice or off ice. PS - wearing a track suit has nothing to do with how someone plays. So im guessing Blake wasnt talking about Evander and if he was it has nothing to do with the tracksuit.

Still waiting for one person to explain why they dislike Kane without sounding a bit foolish and judgemental.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Ok fair enough. So you dont know for a fact that Kane is HATED by his (former) teammates. Thats that settled. Why do people make statements like that? I dont know so I will just call you all haters. Its ok. I was a hater once.

That wheeler quote sounds like a random quote that could be taken as a few different things. Either on ice or off ice. PS - wearing a track suit has nothing to do with how someone plays. So im guessing Blake wasnt talking about Evander and if he was it has nothing to do with the tracksuit.

Still waiting for one person to explain why they dislike Kane without sounding a bit foolish and judgemental.

How can anyone be confused as to why their is hate/dislike for Kane?

The optics of the whole situation reflects poorly on Kane.

From the initial Sportsnet report on tracksuit gate, after having the "altercation" with Byfuglien, Kane couldn't be reached or contacted an hour before the game by anyone on the team. When finally he answered his phone, he told the team he wasn't coming to play.

Then the timing of the surgery is also very suspicious. He went from a 20 minute player a game to a "healthy" scratch to needing season ending surgery. His coach could have easily diffused the situation when asked if the locker room altercation was linked to Kane needing surgery. Instead he responded to the question "That's a question or Evander."

You won't find any facts or direct quotes to prove or disprove any of this as no one is willing to talk on the record, but the optics of the situation is that Kane had an altercation with a teammate and then decided he was done with the team in a middle of a playoff push.

Combine that with the stories and rumors that have been floating around Kane the last few years, Kane comes across with a negative persona in the majority of people's eyes.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Where did Baertschi finsh in the prospect ranking pools on here a few months ago? Regardless you understand the point. If Kane was a Flame none of us would be saying his best days were behind him.

Some including me openly questioned how good a player he is on the ice before the trade. My opinion would not have changed if the Flames had acquired him. So save the sweeping generalizations.

[Hackey]

No one is saying he's an angel but I see it more as an immature 23 year old who needs to grow up a bit. Hopefully this is his wake up call. I don't see him as some terrible person though and without knowing him I wouldn't jump to those types of conclusions.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Well. I guess I'm done waiting for someone to explain that without sounding foolish or judgemental. Thanks sureLoss.

To be honest with you it isnt that I disagree with your points. The situation (tracksuit) does reflect poorly on Kane. Also reflects poorly on the leadership of the team throwing the guys clothes into the shower and then getting into a fight with him. Who does that? There are smarter more mature ways to deal with things. Or not deal with things and let your superiors hand down punishments.

Maybe what I dont agree with is people making definitive statements about a person they've never met's character, behavior or personality. Especially when it is based off of one track suit incident and a bunch of rumors.

It just irks me to see people make statements about someone they dont know and begin them with "he is a". Just say "I get the impression", "I feel like" "I read once that he" or "It seems to me like" or even "based on his reputation, I". Lets not present our opinions on people or views on people as our facts on people

But to those who say HE IS a cocky, good for nothing, spoiled kid who has a bad attitude and a snowballs chance in hell of scoring 40 goals in the NHL... its either you need to make a habbit of expressing opinions as opinions and not facts or you all are some judgy haters. Simon Cowell would be proud.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Some including me openly questioned how good a player he is on the ice before the trade. My opinion would not have changed if the Flames had acquired him. So save the sweeping generalizations.

That's your opinion. I'm not going to try and argue a hypothetical. I think the majority of Flames fans would be optimistic that Hartley and the leadership could straighten him out and he could improve as a player.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Sounds a bit hipster Jiri. You mean you were doubting Kane even before this Kane doubting trend began on CP? That must make you feel like I do when my favorite underground indie band gets radio play or wins a grammy

I wont save the sweeping generalizations.

IF we got Kane. 100% of the fans would view him as the next Iggy and wouldnt be doubting if he can score 40 but how many times he can pot 50 on Bennetts wing.

Yes thats an exaggeration but im sure almost all of us would view him differently. In a more positive way if he were ours. All of us except JiriHrdina who just knew Kane was rubbish all along.

[JiriHrdina]

Lord thats not what I'm saying at all. But continue to argue in extremes. I'm not interested in that type of debate.
I'm glad the Flames didn't trade for him because I don't think he's that great

[t0rrent98]

Your first look at Tyler Myers & Drew Stafford in their new #NHLJets gear!

[Jets4Life]

Myers and Stafford played already. The Jets lost 3-1 at Nashville.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

It wasnt a comparisson. One plays soccer and is the best at what he does if not then he is 2nd best, and the other plays hockey and he is a 23 year old who has has been inconsistent and has lot to prove. It was however an example of how I learned - in my life - to stop judging celebs I dont know and talking about them as if I've known them for years or went to high school with them.

How do you know Kane is hated by his team mates? Bold statement. Dont say he wore a tracksuit...that will prove how lame you are being.

I was going to get frustrated by your post - then I realized you are a Man Chitty fan.

The example is a poor one not because one is a soccer player and the other is a hockey player, or where they rank in their respective sports. It is a poor one because there has always been very little (if any) rumors of team mates not like Ronaldo, and the things he does for his community (helped tremendously in the relief efforts of his hometown in Madeira after a horrid mudslide) and his generosity when it comes to charities (as you listed, and there are literally hundreds of other examples) is just phenomenal.

Ronaldo is gets 'hate' in the media for when he doesn't perform well (miss an important kick, and you are hated for a long time!). People thought (assumptions) that he cared too much about his looks - even how he refused to get any tattoos in a sport where almost everyone has a number of them. Then it comes out that he refuses to get tattoos since he won't be eligible to donate blood for (IIRC) a year (maybe more? Don't know how the rules work), and it is yet another cause for him (quite a personal one), so people stopped making a fuss about that.

Kane has been criticized openly for quite some time from numerous different sources. Fans having some sort of interaction (or altercation), or restaurants complaining that Kane doesn't feel he should pay his own way, or team mates complaining about him (from junior right through until the Jets), etc. Where are the positives to balance it out? Where are these current or former team mates that are siding openly with Kane? Not that it should be a popularity contest or anything, and shouldn't necessarily speak to someone's innocence or guilt, but there is literally ZERO people that have come forward denying anything at all.

It is fine if you want to support someone from getting mud slung at him unfairly, but you need to come out with more 'proof' or substance in your posting than just scolding the rest of the board for having a poor moral compass. Absolutely nobody is seemingly refuting that he is a problem, and to me, that goes beyond 'misunderstandings'.

[Hackey]

The comparison was never between Ronaldo and Kane. He just used Ronaldo as someone he prematurely judged. I honestly think people are making a way bigger deal out of this than it really is. I think there is a good chance Kane will go to Buffalo and just play hockey. This idea that he is some terrible person and going to just ruin a hockey dressing room I think is a bit much. I could be wrong but I guess time will tell.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

IF we got Kane. 100% of the fans would view him as the next Iggy and wouldnt be doubting if he can score 40 but how many times he can pot 50 on Bennetts wing.

I think that reading this thread/board over the past week or so proves this statement as dead wrong. Plenty of people doubt this guys on-ice abilities and, quite frankly, he has given people plenty of reason to do so. Any way you look at it, his numbers are NOT anywhere near elite so far in his career. They are good, but for a guy going into his 7th! season already, having a single 20 goal season in his first 6 is not blowing anybody away or making anybody think about future 40+-50+ goal season coming from this player.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Ugh I hate the comparisons of Kane to Iginla (not just this forum, heard it lots over the years). Honestly, I think race has something to do with it. Personality wise they couldn't be more different, polar opposites. Also, Iginla's shot is way, way better and I'd argue his playmaking/vision is better. And that's comparing Iginla today to Kane today, much less Iginla at 24. Kane will never be Iginla, he will be lucky to get as many career points as Iginla has goals. If you wanted to say Kane's potential is a poor man's Iginla, yes I could see that. A very poor man's Iginla. We're talking about a top 100 player of all time vs an average 2nd liner. Oh but the potential... yes I'll believe it when I see it. Personally, I think Kane is his own worst enemy and he'll be lucky to get even one more 30+ goal season... he's easily one of the most overrated players since the 2005 lockout. Winnipeg won't be the last team to run the entitled prima donna out of town IMO.

[Hackey]

I think you guys missed the sarcasm in that post.

[FlameZilla]

The Iginla comparison stems from his draft year where talking heads projected him to be the 'next Iginla'. At the time any burgeoning power forward was 'the next Iginla'.

I actually think he plays like Curtis Glencross. He's a similar size, has great wheels and a good shot and isn't afraid to take the body. He's also wildly inconsistent, frequently injured and hovers around the 30 goal mark every year. Kane is still young enough to reach a higher echelon but I don't know if he has the mettle and mental composure to do it.

[White Out 403]

Myers was a complete beast tonight. Consensus #1 star from Jets fans. It's so crazy to see a giant like him skate so smoothly.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Myers was a complete beast tonight. Consensus #1 star from Jets fans. It's so crazy to see a giant like him skate so smoothly.

It's so weird. Most big dudes look so awkward when they skate. Myers looks as smooth as anyone in the NHL.

And I'm really not surprised he had a good game. Getting him on a competitive team will be great for him.