deGrasse Tyson & Nye on Climate Change

[troutman]

10 Conspiracy Theories About Weather Modification

http://listverse.com/2014/04/25/10-c...-modification/

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by ernie

5 Solomon Islands have been lost to increasing sea levels in the past 6 or so decades. Several other islands lowing significant area causing people to move.
A taste of things to come?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...869_video.html

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/10/world/...ear/index.html

So they say sea level is rising at 3 times the global average there. Could their not be other mechanisms that are making it worse, such as erosion or subsidence? Obviously that rate can't be sustained indefinitely, unless it is happening earlier there, and the global rate will increase to that rate. In which case I have to ask, what is the mechanism for that?

[ernie]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So they say sea level is rising at 3 times the global average there. Could their not be other mechanisms that are making it worse, such as erosion or subsidence? Obviously that rate can't be sustained indefinitely, unless it is happening earlier there, and the global rate will increase to that rate. In which case I have to ask, what is the mechanism for that?

They mention the other things but sea level rise is a major part of it. There is a general trade wind trend that is moving water to the are which in this case contributes to the rise but is not all of the rise. When liquid water heats it expands and when it cools contracts so you get differences in sea level from season to season and, well, day to day. Some places it the cooling will result in some drop and other areas in a rise. Because of this you normally see talk of the global average sea level....which is rising (warmer water on average, more liquid water from melting).

[Fuzz]

Right, but if the rate of change is 2-3 times higher in this specific place, there must be some there contributing factor as it would eventually work towards equilibrium. I decided to take a quick look at the gravity anomaly, and it is interesting to see:

Spoiler!

The Solomon Islands(North of Australia in the dark red) are at an anomalous high. From Wikipedia

If the ocean surface were isopycnic (of constant density) and undisturbed by tides, currents, or weather, it would closely approximate the geoid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoid
So we know see level should be higher here already. Now if we are looknig at a change in sea level greater than the average, perhaps the Geoid is changing? Now to see if that is the case...

[Fuzz]

Aha, interestingly, it does change:
ftp://podaac-ftp.jpl.nasa.gov/allDat...9_1000x550.gif


Not that I see much of a pattern. It would be interesting to graph the changes in sea levels at particular stations with the shifts in gravity anomalies.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by troutman

10 Conspiracy Theories About Weather Modification

http://listverse.com/2014/04/25/10-c...-modification/

So you deny it? The American meteorological association doesn't, in fact they've had conferences about it too. I've seen dozens of sources stating it's happening and many discussing potential technologies but as CP goes anything outside the usual paradigm is met with such responses, you can take your conspiracy BS and have fun, I don't care about conspiracy I am talking about scientific research such as with this.

https://ams.confex.com/ams/95Annual/...m/20WXMOD.html

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ND8hk5xp2Bg
Got a few more hours of independent meteorological research from that conference alone.

I've got dozens more sources many straight from the US government but let's just claim conspiracy on anything that doesn't follow in tow with Tyson and Nye because they are infallible because that's how science works right? Scientific knowledge is based on whether Neil Degrasse Tyson agrees with it. Just love how you quoted me with an insanely biased website when everyone loses their mind if a contradictory view does the same, let's skip anything with the title conspiracy in it to avoid you being confused.

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10...ce.cld.iop.org

Definitely not happening right?

Http://imgur.com/TZ5YnB1

[troutman]

Originally Posted by AcGold

So you deny it?

Deny it? Never have thought about it. Will look into it when I have more time.

I didn't put Tyson and Nye in the thread title. That means nothing to me.

Weather modification is a thing - what is the evidence that it contributes to global warming?

NASA identifies the following as the causes of global warming:

http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/

It would be great if weather modification could reduce global warming.

[AcGold]

As I linked, much of the technology is in regards to preventing the greenhouse gas by reducing cirrus clouds (a main contributor to the effect).

I appreciate you being open minded, my response is pre emptive to the conspiracy labels that people on CP throw around so often.

I do not know the effect, but it's been going on for so long it has to be having some effect. In scientific research methodologies the variables have to be identified.

Dependent variables: climate state, climate change from one point in time

Independent: human influence through pollution, natural climate change, solar activity, government weather modification technology

To fully understand an open system such as this none of the variables can be ignored and the majority of discussion here is on only one variable.

[Fuzz]

I looked through your links, but I don't see anything that says it is happening on a global scale? I know we seed clouds here, so "weather modification" is nothing new. I've read lots of discussion on the theories of global ideas to control the climate, but haven't seen anything (legitimate) that indicates any of these have been put into practice on a global scale.

[peter12]

I'm still worried about all the hot showers that I took as a youth, and how that may have contributed to my advanced case of male-pattern baldness.

[AcGold]

Giving myself scalp massages helped reverse the balding that was from hot showers.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I looked through your links, but I don't see anything that says it is happening on a global scale? I know we seed clouds here, so "weather modification" is nothing new. I've read lots of discussion on the theories of global ideas to control the climate, but haven't seen anything (legitimate) that indicates any of these have been put into practice on a global scale.

Good questions, there are high frequency auroral arrays globally. Just do a little research. I don't know how global the cloud seeding is. The extent to which they've been used I don't know or whether the two technologies interact with each other I don't know.

I've seen independent analysts trying to identify artificial patterns but thus far it's purely speculation. All I know for sure is the technology exists on several continents, the subject is so complex I don't spend much time.

[Fuzz]

Well that's the thing, most of it IS conspiracy stuff. You ask why we aren't talking about it, but what is their to talk about regarding climate change if it is only used locally, like it is here to prevent hail?

[peter12]

Please tell me more about the benefits of self-administered scalp massages, AcGold.

[AcGold]

Haha, I'm serious man. Went to get a haircut and the lady asked if I took real hot showers, told me to stop and start with head massages because it was starting to bald. Now it's like it never happened.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

I'm still worried about all the hot showers that I took as a youth, and how that may have contributed to my advanced case of male-pattern baldness.

I started eating more cottage cheese a few years ago and I've noticed lately that it only takes me days to grow a pretty sweet beard, whereas prior to the cottage cheese it would take me weeks. Now, hear me out on this. Potassium sorbate is one of the main ingredients in cottage cheese. Do you know what else potassium sorbate is used in? Sweet wines, sparkling wines, and some hard ciders. What else is in hard cider? Alcohol. What do I often do while having long, hot showers? That's right, I drink alcohol.

So clearly what you need to be doing to reverse your male-pattern baldness is taking long, hot showers, while drinking hard cider, and giving yourself cottage-cheese scalp massages. These are the secrets big shampoo doesn't want you to know. Wake up, sheeple!

[Leeman4Gilmour]

I hope they are working on rain in the north....

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Haha, I'm serious man. Went to get a haircut and the lady asked if I took real hot showers, told me to stop and start with head massages because it was starting to bald. Now it's like it never happened.

So which university did your haristylist get her Ph.D in biology from?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by rubecube

So which university did your haristylist get her Ph.D in biology from?

Go Landcrabs!

[peter12]

I've heard about hair loss and massages, but I thought it just made hair grow on the palms of your hands.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Haha, I'm serious man. Went to get a haircut and the lady asked if I took real hot showers, told me to stop and start with head massages because it was starting to bald. Now it's like it never happened.

I have no doubt this actually took place, I just can't believe you didn't laugh at her and have now convinced yourself you're seeing results. Your medical knowledge borders on lunacy.

Is your hair stylist also an optometrist? Their chairs are similar.