North Carolina passes same-sex marriage ban

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

to be honest, i was surprised that there were 7 other people on this forum with views as backwards as Mikey's. thankfully though they are few and far between

Yeah, my interest is kind of piqued as to who the other ones were. I know Mikey, and I assume T&T, but I'd like to hear the other six people attempt to defend their position.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Sounds to me like you should be against child molesters/criminals getting married.

no kidding, what did his story have to do with gay marriage?

[Hanni]

Don't forget CalgaryBorn, is he still around?

I voted used to be against, now for. Simply because I don't think I was fundamentally against gay marriage, but growing up in small town Alberta you aren't exactly exposed to an extremely tolerant world view in a lot of cases. Getting older, going to university, forming my own opinions, I quickly moved to a much more tolerant viewpoint.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Sounds to me like you should be against child molesters/criminals getting married.

Sounds to me at 17 you thought of yourself as a child...I didn't think that way,where I grew up at 17 you were a man. Different era and place!.

For example, where i grew up a child molester was extremely lucky to breath another day,again...Different era and place!.

Hard to understand I guess.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by T@T

Sounds to me at 17 you thought of yourself as a child...I didn't think that way,where I grew up at 17 you were a man. Different era and place!.

For example, where i grew up a child molester was extremely lucky to breath another day,again...Different era and place!.

Hard to understand I guess.

Easy there John Wayne. You described the guy as a "molester".

That being said, when I was 17 I got punched in the nose by an Asian guy, so I don't think Asian people should be allowed to get married.

See? We're on the same team!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Easy there John Wayne. You described the guy as a "molester".

That being said, when I was 17 I got punched in the nose by an Asian guy, so I don't think Asian people should be allowed to get married.

See? We're on the same team!

When I was 17 I was involved in a hit and run, and it was a black guy that hit me, therefore, I don't think black people should be allowed to get married.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Easy there John Wayne. You described the guy as a "molester".

That being said, when I was 17 I got punched in the nose by an Asian guy, so I don't think Asian people should be allowed to get married.

See? We're on the same team!

AGAIN!!
I could care less about gay marriage,for ###### sakes I started this thread but if your your trying to change my opinion your barking up a tree thats too high for you. being punched by ANYONE is quite bit different then getting your dink stroked by another male...of course there's the possibility that maybe you like it.

Since your so pro gay how about posting some pics the next time there's a parade downtown...I'll even make you more famous by putting them on my facebook page for you...your family will love them.

If you can't except my possition...###### off, I don't care.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by T@T

AGAIN!!
I could care less about gay marriage,for ###### sakes I started this thread but if your your trying to change my opinion your barking up a tree thats too high for you. being punched by ANYONE is quite bit different then getting your dink stroked by another male...of course there's the possibility that maybe you like it.

Since your so pro gay how about posting some pics the next time there's a parade downtown...I'll even make you more famous by putting them on my facebook page for you...your family will love them.

If you can't except my possition...###### off, I don't care.

He has a point, though. One gay person doing that to you, has NOTHING to do with other gay people. You should hate that person, not gay people.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by flameswin

He has a point, though. One gay person doing that to you, has NOTHING to do with other gay people. You should hate that person, not gay people.

You don't get it either..I don't hate ANY people.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by T@T

You don't get it either..I don't hate ANY people.

Well, I guess I'm not sure what connection you're making between gay marriage and that incident. We're not the ones trying to make a connection. You were asked why you don't support gay marriage, and you gave this story in response.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by T@T

Poll results so far have me thinking"

1) voters under 35
2) voters 45 plus
3) 35 to 44
4) doubt there will be one

I wonder how right I am

For the record I chose #2, personally I don't like it but would never want it outlawed by law and government..It's a peoples choice.

Maybe question #4 should read my bolded part?

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Why is it a tough one for you? You're one of the posters on here frequently criticizing religion, so if it's not a religious angle that bothers you about allowing homosexual marriage, what could it be?

Originally Posted by T@T

Personal, some things are better un-said.

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

It's the internet. You're anonymous. You may have your views challenged, but no one's going to pin them to the real you offline. You brought it up, so now I'm actually curious. I've only heard religious reasons given, and some pseudo-scientific justifications.

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I'm not pushing him -- he brought up how he voted, after all.

Your quoted post sheds plenty of light on the reasoning behind it, though.

Originally Posted by T@T

Ok, lets get this straight, I am as an honest person against anyone or government telling any minority how to live their lives in a private way..this includes gay people.Over the years I have had many gay friends, granted most are females which for some reason I don't find far from normal but non the less none of them flaunt it in public anyway.

On a personal level other than trying to explain to my young son why two men are kissing(in public) I spent 3 days in jail as a 17 year old for assault causing bodily harm because some fruitcake molester thought I was too drunk to fight back...he was wrong and probably still has brain problems from the beating I gave him.(If he's still alive)

Hope this helps your curiosity.

This was the sequence of posts, and you clearly stated that you voted #2, which opposes same sex marriage.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by T@T

Since your so pro gay how about posting some pics the next time there's a parade downtown...I'll even make you more famous by putting them on my facebook page for you...your family will love them.

Also, these types of comments have no place on CP, imo. They're pretty hateful towards homosexuals, and it's this line of thinking (ie; being gay is wrong and you should be shunned by society and family "your family will love them") that needs to be left in the past. That line of thinking is no longer socially acceptable. In my opinion of course.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by T@T

Since your so pro gay how about posting some pics the next time there's a parade downtown...I'll even make you more famous by putting them on my facebook page for you...your family will love them.

What does this have to do with anything?

Interesting, it's almost like you're suggesting one should be ashamed for being open-minded and championing human rights, even when they don't apply to themselves. Furthermore, the backhanded "your family will love them" remark, what exactly is that supposed to mean?

For someone trying to say you don't hate anyone, you get dangerously close to giving off that impression when pushed to be honest about your position.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

[onetwo_threefour]

BTW, for anybody reading a whole lot into these poll results, there's a strong selection bias in the results for sure. Other than the politically active and motivated, I would suggest that most people who are uncomfortable with the idea of SSM probably don't even enter the thread and of those that do, the overwhelming support for the idea of SSM among the more active posters could very well dissuade someone from voting in the poll with a contrary viewpoint. As much as the poll is 'anonymous' this is at least a somewhat closed community that could make people more reticent to share views where it may come back on them.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by onetwo_threefour

BTW, for anybody reading a whole lot into these poll results, there's a strong selection bias in the results for sure. Other than the politically active and motivated, I would suggest that most people who are uncomfortable with the idea of SSM probably don't even enter the thread and of those that do, the overwhelming support for the idea of SSM among the more active posters could very well dissuade someone from voting in the poll with a contrary viewpoint. As much as the poll is 'anonymous' this is at least a somewhat closed community that could make people more reticent to share views where it may come back on them.

The poll was started to gauge what the general thoughts of the forum was, don't see anyone reading too much into it, nor see the need for a suggestion about it.

[onetwo_threefour]

Really MMF? I see several posts just above remarking on how few people share Mikey and calgaryborn's positions and how proud people are of CP's progressiveness on the issue. My point was that while you may think you're gauging the feelings of the board as a whole, what you're getting is a fairly limited cross-section that might be expected to have more progressive views than the average. The very results speak for themselves. In the most progressive outcome that is even remotely likely in a broad cross-section, answer #3 should be way outpacing answer #1. The fact that answer #1 is so predominant is highly suggestive of a selection bias.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by onetwo_threefour

BTW, for anybody reading a whole lot into these poll results, there's a strong selection bias in the results for sure. Other than the politically active and motivated, I would suggest that most people who are uncomfortable with the idea of SSM probably don't even enter the thread and of those that do, the overwhelming support for the idea of SSM among the more active posters could very well dissuade someone from voting in the poll with a contrary viewpoint. As much as the poll is 'anonymous' this is at least a somewhat closed community that could make people more reticent to share views where it may come back on them.

Fair enough. Nonetheless, in my view, the fact that those people are now reluctant to publicly share their viewpoint is a victory in itself.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by onetwo_threefour

Really MMF? I see several posts just above remarking on how few people share Mikey and calgaryborn's positions and how proud people are of CP's progressiveness on the issue. My point was that while you may think you're gauging the feelings of the board as a whole, what you're getting is a fairly limited cross-section that might be expected to have more progressive views than the average. The very results speak for themselves. In the most progressive outcome that is even remotely likely in a broad cross-section, answer #3 should be way outpacing answer #1. The fact that answer #1 is so predominant is highly suggestive of a selection bias.

I commented earlier in this thread that I'm quite suprised #1 is ahead of #3 by such a large margin. I knew the mood of the forum has decidedly shifted to being pro-gay marriage in recent years, but I remember posting about this topic in 2004-05 when Harper's Conservatives opposed Paul Martin's Liberals when Parliament debated SSM legislation. At that time, I felt like one of only a very small number of posters in favour of granting full marriage rights to homosexuals. I suppose it's possible that CP has seen many new members who have more progressive views register since then (most/all of whom would have voted #1), but I'm really shocked that #3 doesn't have more votes considering the opposition to allowing SSM that once existed on this forum.

[firebug]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Fair enough. Nonetheless, in my view, the fact that those people are now reluctant to publicly share their viewpoint is a victory in itself.

Now if they would just stay away from the real referenda we could see some real progress.

Small steps...