Kirk Cameron Attacks Stephen Hawking

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by photon

Ah now the truth comes out; teenage boys will do anything to impress a girl, he totally likes her!

Well...atheists do have better sex afterall!!

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by photon

Even the golden rule has its loopholes.

I'm not sure one could come up with an actual Christian Bill of Rights, since the whole setup is totalitarian in nature... there are no rights, only privileges granted if you are lucky enough to happen not to commit a thought crime.

I'm just appealing to his rule book to try to get any semblance of rational argument out of it.

God knows my fleeting thought crimes means I'm a morally destitute individual even if I don't actually carry any of my thoughts out. It's just a totalitarian setup of guilt induced behavioral submission patterns even though the thing says your works and actions have nothing to do with your salvation at all. When I was a kid, I almost drove myself crazy about not thinking about girls because of this.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by photon

Ah now the truth comes out; teenage boys will do anything to impress a girl, he totally likes her!

Nothing like a bright, young, intelligent and determined girl to inspire a boy to do something... Unless you're the kind that likes a submissive dumb girl you can beat up after your trip to the local rodeo.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by photon

Even the golden rule has its loopholes.

I'm not sure one could come up with an actual Christian Bill of Rights, since the whole setup is totalitarian in nature... there are no rights, only privileges granted if you are lucky enough to happen not to commit a thought crime.

Plus all the rules, and all the passages the rules are based on are interpreted differently based on every different interpretation. Part of the reason we have so many versions of Christianity now to begin with. And why they all say they have the real god breathed version.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yep.....nailed me again.

Passive-aggressive agreement doesn't even qualify as a fallacy. You need to brush up on your argumentation, you're functioning barely a step up from "I know you are but what am I?!?'

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by jammies

Passive-aggressive agreement doesn't even qualify as a fallacy. You need to brush up on your argumentation, you're functioning barely a step up from "I know you are but what am I?!?'

What would you like me to say?

You have clearly formed your opinion about me and what I stand for. So be it.

I have no necessity to engage you about your belief towards me what-so-ever. You are free to do as you wish as am I, its a beautiful thing.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Plus all the rules, and all the passages the rules are based on are interpreted differently based on every different interpretation. Part of the reason we have so many versions of Christianity now to begin with. And why they all say they have the real god breathed version.

Yep...totally splintered religion.

I wonder how many gods there are in total as claimed by the various sects and off shoots of religions around the world?

Gotta be in the hundreds.

[Yasa]

I'm calling Poe on Calgaryborn too.

[photon]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I wonder how many gods there are in total as claimed by the various sects and off shoots of religions around the world?

Gotta be in the hundreds.

Past and present? Over 3000!

http://www.godchecker.com/

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

I'm afraid I'm going to have to call the thread.

Atheists defeat Christians 4-3 in OT. Hawking with 1 goal and 1 assist.

Good job, everyone!

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yep...totally splintered religion.

I wonder how many gods there are in total as claimed by the various sects and off shoots of religions around the world?

Gotta be in the hundreds.

Well if you include all the polytheistic religions like those of the Greeks, Romans, Norse, and all the different Pagan religions it would easily be thousands.

I was just adding to Photon's reply to CB's formation of a 'Christian's Charter of Rights' because it's really just going to be 'Calgaryborn's Charter of Rights and How I View What is Right in the World' as every single Christian group, in fact, perhaps individuals in the same group, are going to have a different interpretation, and therefore, different Charter.

It's a completely pointless and useless exercise, and really just proves several of the points of the non-religious crowd in the end.

Including... DUM DUM DUM, why we need to follow the constitution on this one and not just common sense, or old biblical passages, no matter how well meaning they may be.

[Gozer]

I think the hateful and intolerant member of this debate was decided in the opening posts when a man was denigrated for his debiliatating physical handicap.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by photon

Past and present? Over 3000!

http://www.godchecker.com/

LOL!!!

Holy crap thats truly funny.

Thanks.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Gozer

I think the hateful and intolerant member of this debate was decided in the opening posts when a man was denigrated for his debiliatating physical handicap.

And it's not surprising he's supporting a bunch of intolerant yokels against someone who is doing the right thing.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Crazy Bacon Legs

I'm afraid I'm going to have to call the thread.

Atheists defeat Christians 4-3 in OT. Hawking with 1 goal and 1 assist.

Good job, everyone!

And then Hawking had great sex.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by troutman

And then Hawking had great sex.

Hey, they don't call it a Bliss Board for nothing!

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Actually it is.

Isn't that the point of fighting discrimination? Isn't "feeling bad" the consequence of being discriminated against or treated unfairly? Do you think Rosa Parks "felt bad" being forced to sit at the back of the bus? It was a catalyst that revealed the actual social inequity even if the singular event and personal feelings of the person involved seem insignificant and those in the ruling majority felt that "separate but equal" did not cause any significant harm.

Rosa Parks was restricted to the back of the bus. She had a reason to feel bad. Atheist boy wasn't restricted physically at all. He wasn't singled out for discrimination.

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

"Feeling bad" is only an individual symptom of systematic institutionalized discrimination or unfair treatment. "Feeling bad" is what tells you that you are not receiving the treatment from others that you desire. If that coincides with treatment that is actually unlawful, then you have a right to your civil liberties and for the courts to defend your rights.

I've said over and over again, the principle is not whether or not he "feels bad" as you are focusing on his individual harm. The principle and what people debating here is his right to challenge the school prayer and that he has every right to do so and it is in fact, an advocacy of a much greater number of people than this one individual.

Again the standard should be whether harm has been done. I don't see where it has. This kid was no victim by rather the aggressor. Even if somewhere in the States school prayer is being forced upon non believers this was not the hill to battle over. This was just a kid acting out his rebellion.

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I am interested in your Christian Bill of Rights. Honestly, I am. What have you come up with?

I'm a little busy right now to get into it. The question came up from reading the preamble to the American constitution. Were they right? What does life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness mean? And can they be backed up by scriptures? Of course any of the promises of God can be seen as rights and there are some rights(promises) before God that are only given to Christians. There are also general obligations towards mankind and God which tempers these rights. It gets quite involved.

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I think "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you" Matthew 7:12 and "But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself" Leviticus 19:34 would apply to this case.

Instead you address him over and over derogatorily as "Atheist Boy". If you want people to respect Christian principles and practices, you should respect their principles and practices as well, even if they are atheists. Similarly, you should treat them as if they were your own. Instead, the response to him from his peers and family has been anger, threats of violence, and him being ostracized and have insulted him as only being a whiny person trying to cause a stir.

I guess the title "atheist boy" stems first of all from laziness. I didn't remember his name. Beyond that it seems to fit him well in that his beef is because he is an atheist and he is acting like a boy. Boys/children think of themselves to the exclusion of others. They tend to act impulsively without looking ahead to the consequences. Teens and young adults are often found to be idealists. They grab on to an abstract principle and goes whereever it takes them. They also like to make noise.

This kid has managed to offend people by forcing them through the ACLU to change something against their will. Don't we all owe a debt of gratitude to the community that raised us. Isn't that a part of the graduation ceremony? Acknowledging those who contributed to where we find ourselves today. This kid just flipped the bird at the values of these neighbours and friends on a national stage. How immature! He not only ruined the spirit and joy associated with this occasion for himself but, also for his peers and community. Nobody is going to forget this graduation for all the wrong reasons.

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

If at an event that was extremely important to you, like a graduation ceremony, the sanctioned message of the ceremony was pro-actively atheist and even insulting of your religion. Would you rather just have to sit down and shut up for 2 minutes and tolerate it with no other choice? Or would you rather you had the option (even if you did not choose to exercise it!) and ability to seek redress legally from the courts as is your right to? Why is this any different? Apply Matthew 7:12 if that is what you really believe.

It's not just him. There are others he should consider, respect, and maybe indulge. A pro-active gospel message isn't what we are talking about here. That would be the equivalent to a pro-active atheist message. We are talking about a short prayer. That is a small thing. I'll bet a few of the speeches would be harder to endure.

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

And so "atheist boy" was not willing to participate in this event. Do you understand there is no difference here? For you, the threshold may be bowing down. For him, the threshold is even sitting there and condoning what is legally his right to oppose. That is the beauty of living in a free society. You have that choice. If you lived in a Muslim society, refusing to participate would mark you out for criminal prosecution and violence. Holding yourself to one standard and others to a separate standard is not Christian in principle and this hypocrisy is one of the reasons religion is seem over and over again in a bad light.

The difference is in the participation. That's simple enough. He doesn't have to participate in the prayer anymore than he has to listen to the Principal's speech. How much did you participate in your graduation ceremony? Were there parts that meant nothing to you but, were important to the guy next to you?

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Rosa Parks was restricted to the back of the bus. She had a reason to feel bad. Atheist boy wasn't restricted physically at all. He wasn't singled out for discrimination.

It wasn't the physical part of it that was offensive. It was treating her like a second class citizen. Just like this high school did to atheists.

Again the standard should be whether harm has been done. I don't see where it has. This kid was no victim by rather the aggressor. Even if somewhere in the States school prayer is being forced upon non believers this was not the hill to battle over. This was just a kid acting out his rebellion.

Do you really believe that 'no harm, no foul' is a valid legal defense? And the aggressors were the people who sought to include religious BS in a graduation ceremony where it has no lawful place.

I'm a little busy right now to get into it.

Busy burning crosses on the lawns of atheists?

The question came up from reading the preamble to the American constitution. Were they right? What does life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness mean? And can they be backed up by scriptures? Of course any of the promises of God can be seen as rights and there are some rights(promises) before God that are only given to Christians. There are also general obligations towards mankind and God which tempers these rights. It gets quite involved.

Sorry but mythological figures don't give out rights.

I guess the title "atheist boy" stems first of all from laziness. I didn't remember his name. Beyond that it seems to fit him well in that his beef is because he is an atheist and he is acting like a boy. Boys/children think of themselves to the exclusion of others. They tend to act impulsively without looking ahead to the consequences. Teens and young adults are often found to be idealists. They grab on to an abstract principle and goes whereever it takes them. They also like to make noise.

Sounds like Damon was one of the few men at that school. The intolerant bible freaks were the ones who acted to exclude others, acted impulsively and liked to make noise.

This kid has managed to offend people by forcing them through the ACLU to change something against their will. Don't we all owe a debt of gratitude to the community that raised us. Isn't that a part of the graduation ceremony? Acknowledging those who contributed to where we find ourselves today. This kid just flipped the bird at the values of these neighbours and friends on a national stage. How immature! He not only ruined the spirit and joy associated with this occasion for himself but, also for his peers and community. Nobody is going to forget this graduation for all the wrong reasons.

This all started with the idiots who believed that religious crap belonged in a graduation when it is clearly against the US Constitution. That the bible freaks acted like a bunch of spoiled brats doesn't mean that Damon is responsible for their poor behaviour.

It's not just him. There are others he should consider, respect, and maybe indulge. A pro-active gospel message isn't what we are talking about here. That would be the equivalent to a pro-active atheist message. We are talking about a short prayer. That is a small thing. I'll bet a few of the speeches would be harder to endure.

But those speeches belong at a graduation. A prayer is as out of place at a graduation as a swastika at a synagogue.

The difference is in the participation. That's simple enough. He doesn't have to participate in the prayer anymore than he has to listen to the Principal's speech. How much did you participate in your graduation ceremony? Were there parts that meant nothing to you but, were important to the guy next to you?

So if someone went on a racist rant at graduation, you'd have no problem with it if the majority of students and community were racist?

[Thor]

Dammit, I'll bite.

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Rosa Parks was restricted to the back of the bus. She had a reason to feel bad. Atheist boy wasn't restricted physically at all. He wasn't singled out for discrimination.

No, discrimination is solely based on location of a person in a bus, not discrimination based on race, creed, or hippy clothes.

Again the standard should be whether harm has been done. I don't see where it has. This kid was no victim by rather the aggressor. Even if somewhere in the States school prayer is being forced upon non believers this was not the hill to battle over. This was just a kid acting out his rebellion.

Its ASTONISHING how you can't imagine or put yourself in the shoes of someone being singled out, I mean even with the re-occurring false christian persecution complex that so many of you have.

I know for a fact, if that girl stated "lets all bow towards mecca and praise allah our lord God." You would be losing your collective sh*t like nobodies business. You can pretend you won't but you most obviously would.

I'm a little busy right now to get into it. The question came up from reading the preamble to the American constitution. Were they right? What does life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness mean? And can they be backed up by scriptures? Of course any of the promises of God can be seen as rights and there are some rights(promises) before God that are only given to Christians. There are also general obligations towards mankind and God which tempers these rights. It gets quite involved.

Wow, so much fluff, the fact is the founding fathers were quite clear, escaping the tyranny of Europe for religious freedom in the United States. Please read Thomas Jefferson's biography, please read anything about the founding fathers because they hated state religion, the loathed that a king could turn his affair to become 2 religions, and then murder those who didn't agree.

Freedom of religion, was also as importantly about freedom FROM religion and that the state should require no test and should never push one belief over another (theocracy.)

I guess the title "atheist boy" stems first of all from laziness. I didn't remember his name. Beyond that it seems to fit him well in that his beef is because he is an atheist and he is acting like a boy. Boys/children think of themselves to the exclusion of others. They tend to act impulsively without looking ahead to the consequences. Teens and young adults are often found to be idealists. They grab on to an abstract principle and goes whereever it takes them. They also like to make noise.

Wow, the utter and complete stupidity of this is beyond words. What would be the point of responding, the simple reading of this paragraph should be enough for the vast majority of humans to regard this as beyond ridiculous.

This kid has managed to offend people by forcing them through the ACLU to change something against their will. Don't we all owe a debt of gratitude to the community that raised us. Isn't that a part of the graduation ceremony? Acknowledging those who contributed to where we find ourselves today. This kid just flipped the bird at the values of these neighbours and friends on a national stage. How immature! He not only ruined the spirit and joy associated with this occasion for himself but, also for his peers and community. Nobody is going to forget this graduation for all the wrong reasons.

Oh yeah cause if he didn't force that 1 min of silence over prayer, the entire evening and future memories of this magical night would have been RUINED and all those unfortunate Christians would live less a life because of it. So immature, damn.

It's not just him. There are others he should consider, respect, and maybe indulge. A pro-active gospel message isn't what we are talking about here. That would be the equivalent to a pro-active atheist message. We are talking about a short prayer. That is a small thing. I'll bet a few of the speeches would be harder to endure.

lol, I still would love to see your children sit through a Muslim graduation ceremony where your kids had a choice to either do the bows to mecca or stand outside, obviously they should just shut up and do as the muslims do, because its petty for them not to.

The difference is in the participation. That's simple enough. He doesn't have to participate in the prayer anymore than he has to listen to the Principal's speech. How much did you participate in your graduation ceremony? Were there parts that meant nothing to you but, were important to the guy next to you?

Sorry but you know the only reason you are faking opposition to this whole thing is that its a Christian prayer that was denied by an Atheist, and damn FACTS be damned, you can't allow that to happen.

Every single one of us, knows that if you were looking at your child being ostracized for standing up to a Muslim assembly proclaiming Allah; you would be the most ballistic and fervent opposition to such a situation.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I guess the title "atheist boy" stems first of all from laziness. I didn't remember his name.

Mr. Fowler