2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I don't see them trading a Dman during the season.

Maaaaaybe Stone if he can get healthy and play some good games.

Next off season I can see it though, if Andersson, Kylington and Valimaki continue to impress.

This season it would either be Stone (but I wouldn't want him if I were another team - he's not bad but he's a health risk). Or maybe Kylington (most likely to be odd man out out of the three rookies).

[Roof-Daddy]

Imagine if Tre can add a good young playmaking 2C and he's able to get Neal going...

This would be a tough team to stop.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Good for them? Did they have 4 young guys pushing for spots?

There is a difference between pushing for a spot and pushing someone out of a spot. Not a single one of our U23 Dmen have pished one of Gio/Brodie/Hamonic out of a spot.

And I would wager Dustin Byfuglien and Nick Leddy were pretty good at ice hockey when they were Chicago Blackhawks, but like Hanifin/Kylington/Andersson/Valimaki have not displaced Giordano/Brodie/Hamonic they did not displace Keith/Hjalmarsson/Seabrook. They also made the decision to move out an excellent defenseman in Campbell and arguably never recovered, eventually filling his spot with Oduya but never quite being as good as they were with Campbell in his prime.

Did they have an expansion draft to contend with?

2018-19
2019-20
2020-21

Three seasons to be played before expansion. A lot will change by then. The last expansion was in 2017 so going back three seasons the equivalent would the 2013-14 Bruins moving out Brad Marchand to make room for Ryan Spooner because of expansion / Marchand just being a product of Bergeron. See how silly that sounds?

[Phagoof]

I still wonder about Kovalchuk. He's still got it, but he's being used improperly in LA.

[Enoch Root]

Three years until expansion. Three years.

Three years ago, the Flames roster included:

Hudler, Hamilton, Colborne, Wideman, Ferland, Stajan, Jones, Russell, Jooris, Engelland, Granland, Bouma, Jokipakka, Raymond, Nakladal, Bollig, Smid, Wotherspoon, Grant, Ramo, Hiller and Ortio (ignoring guys that played less than 10 games)

That's 22 players, an entire roster. And that's just from 3 years ago, it doesn't include guys that have come and gone since.

How about we get a little closer to the expansion draft before we start trading away key players. And even as we approach it, if it turns out that we have too many good defensemen, the solution is to trade with a team that has too many good forwards.

Regardless, we are very likely going to be a good team then. Which means we will probably lose a good player. That's how it goes.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

There is a difference between pushing for a spot and pushing someone out of a spot. Not a single one of our U23 Dmen have pished one of Gio/Brodie/Hamonic out of a spot.

And I would wager Dustin Byfuglien and Nick Leddy were pretty good at ice hockey when they were Chicago Blackhawks, but like Hanifin/Kylington/Andersson/Valimaki have not displaced Giordano/Brodie/Hamonic they did not displace Keith/Hjalmarsson/Seabrook. They also made the decision to move out an excellent defenseman in Campbell and arguably never recovered, eventually filling his spot with Oduya but never quite being as good as they were with Campbell in his prime.




2018-19
2019-20
2020-21

Three seasons to be played before expansion. A lot will change by then. The last expansion was in 2017 so going back three seasons the equivalent would the 2013-14 Bruins moving out Brad Marchand to make room for Ryan Spooner because of expansion / Marchand just being a product of Bergeron. See how silly that sounds?

Are you suggesting that we re-sign both Hamonic and Brodie to long term deals? Are you suggesting we let them walk to free agency? I don’t want to trade anyone right now but think we absolutely should trade one of them (Brodie) this summer. Once we either start letting our core players walk to free agency or overpay them for their early mid-30’s we start making it tougher to keep our good young players.

I also put Hanifin right there with Hamonic/Brodie

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Are you suggesting that we re-sign both Hamonic and Brodie to long term deals? Are you suggesting we let them walk to free agency? I don’t want to trade anyone right now but think we absolutely should trade one of them (Brodie) this summer. Once we either start letting our core players walk to free agency or overpay them for their early mid-30’s we start making it tougher to keep our good young players.

I also put Hanifin right there with Hamonic/Brodie

So those are the choices?

1) trade next summer
2) let them walk
3) sign them for too much money

No other options?

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Imagine if Tre can add a good young playmaking 2C and he's able to get Neal going...

This would be a tough team to stop.

Too bad Vegas is in the hunt. Haula has chemistry with Neal and hes a pretty good 2C with good possession metrics that wouldn't cost as much as some of the other names thrown around.
Or not hes out indefinitely with a knee injury, not sure when he would make it back, maybe in time for playoffs or if he would be in game shape but you could buy low if it was determined he will be back and in good health.

[Flash Walken]

I think to sign tkachuk you have to move brodie.

For me, the two go hand in hand.

Brodie is the obvious player to be moved, and hanifin is the obvious player to take his place.

[jayswin]

Hamonic I could see signing for a very reasonable contract. He's a western Canadian who was actively looking to play out west (even aside from that family issue) and is a solid, defensive defenseman, which usually come in very cheap relative to how much value they add to a team.

He's the one I'd be considering long term here, since he'll be cheaper and we don't have any similar skill set prospects coming up to take his spot.

[TheScorpion]

To me, you certainly move Brodie first. Keep Hamonic, he's gonna be important to this team for a long time.

I'd move Brodie for a guy like Lindholm with the capacity to "pop." I look at a guy like Alex Wennberg and I wonder if he could be a target. He's cost-controlled and isn't really being utilized well in their system. But does Columbus need more defense? Just spitballing.

[dammage79]

I can see many things occurring before expansion, that being said, if Tree ran todays roster right up until the expansion draft, I trust no one more than tree to expertly navigate the asset management aspect of the club. Could mean moving Brodie, could not. But I do trust the mans process.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Hamonic I could see signing for a very reasonable contract. He's a western Canadian who was actively looking to play out west (even aside from that family issue) and is a solid, defensive defenseman, which usually come in very cheap relative to how much value they add to a team.

He's the one I'd be considering long term here, since he'll be cheaper and we don't have any similar skill set prospects coming up to take his spot.

I agree, could see Hamonic being a good guy on the 3rd pairing later in his career. Definitely makes sense to trade Brodie eventually, but agree with posters saying you don't tinker with chemistry at the moment (unless the offer is sensational).


I think they'll have a tough call to make with Kylington too... he looks like he has real upside to me, it's a ways out but I'd guess he's the goner in the expansion draft and looking long term the Flames are pretty stacked with LHDs.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Likely the only player who could replace Brodie anytime soon is Hanifin. Peters has said that if you’re gonna play your off side as a defence man one of the most important things is that you can skate. Brodie’s skating is showcased on the right. It’s possible Hanifin could also excel on the right with his skating.

There’s no one to replace Hamonic.

I don’t see the point in speculating now. The only expendable dmen at the moment are one of Stone/Prout.

I’d definitely be looking to re-sign Hamonic this summer and possibly Brodie as well. Trading Brodie is a possibility but too early to say.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Likely the only player who could replace Brodie anytime soon is Hanifin.

What about Andersson? I could see him playing with Giordano for sure.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Likely the only player who could replace Brodie anytime soon is Hanifin. Peters has said that if you’re gonna play your off side as a defence man one of the most important things is that you can skate. Brodie’s skating is showcased on the right. It’s possible Hanifin could also excel on the right with his skating.

There’s no one to replace Hamonic.

I don’t see the point in speculating now. The only expendable dmen at the moment are one of Stone/Prout.

I’d definitely be looking to re-sign Hamonic this summer and possibly Brodie as well. Trading Brodie is a possibility but too early to say.

Brodie will be a 5.5-6.5 million dollar defender, there's just no room on the roster for him at that cap hit.

The point of speculating now is the news article that the flames are actively shopping a defender.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So those are the choices?

1) trade next summer
2) let them walk
3) sign them for too much money

No other options?

You forgot too much term in addition to the money

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

What about Andersson? I could see him playing with Giordano for sure.

He's a little slow, and I don't see him getting much faster. He will likely continue to improve significantly at every other aspect of his game, but I think that foot speed may stunt him from ever being a true first pairing guy.

Which is fine as a fast skating Andersson would have gone first round and wouldn't be a Flame. He's still an incredible pick for the organization.

[jayswin]

What's with all these "stop talking about things down the road" posts lately? We're fans, not players or management. It's a message board, there's no karma, there's no getting ahead of ourselves to the detriment of performance.

It's just discussion, it goes somewhere or it doesn't and the posts/thread falls.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by jayswin

What's with all these "stop talking about things down the road" posts lately? We're fans, not players or management. It's a message board, there's no karma, there's no getting ahead of ourselves to the detriment of performance.

It's just discussion, it goes somewhere or it doesn't and the posts/thread falls.

I refer you to a classic (paraphrasing) CliffFletcher post about discussing prospects:

It's too Soon
It's too Soon
It's too Soon
It's too Soon
Never speak of it again