Ongoing Sci-Fi, Comic Book Movie Thread v2

[sureLoss]

Report that Marvel Studios will soon begin to look for a writer for the X-Men movie with the deal with writers guild done. Decision on writer expected to be made in early 2024.

https://deadline.com/2023/09/x-men-m...nt-1235558844/

[#-3]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Report that Marvel Studios will soon begin to look for a writer for the X-Men movie with the deal with writers guild done. Decision on writer expected to be made in early 2024.

https://deadline.com/2023/09/x-men-m...nt-1235558844/

I really hope they don't try to create a bunch of 100 year old characters who were active during WWII within the current MCU continuity who were around but unseen all along, just to hamstring in the classic version of the Magneto storyline. I think it a recipe for more of the problems that have held them back for the past 5 years, but worse. They need characters that have had there powers for 15 years or less, don't know how to use them and haven't gotten involved because they don't know how to use them.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by #-3

I really hope they don't try to create a bunch of 100 year old characters who were active during WWII within the current MCU continuity who were around but unseen all along, just to hamstring in the classic version of the Magneto storyline. I think it a recipe for more of the problems that have held them back for the past 5 years, but worse. They need characters that have had there powers for 15 years or less, don't know how to use them and haven't gotten involved because they don't know how to use them.

I hope they don't try to get too clever tying in the multiverse, the snap, cosmic stuff, Wanda, etc...

Your idea of just having it be simple with the powers occurring recently is best. Having Prof X, Wolverine, and Magneto with powers for a while, but purposely remaining low key is okay. However, tying in WW2 to Magneto's origin doesn't really work, as that was like 80-85 years ago now. That makes Magneto too old. A late 40s-50s Magneto is best.

They could do some kind of time travel or dimension hoping, but I hope they don't.

They've brought in Patrick Stewart, but need to move on from him. He's in his 80s already. Would be in his 90s before a story arc is complete. Even Hugh Jackman at 54 needs to be recast. Hard to play someone who ages incredibly slowly when you're in you're late fifties.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

I'm so sick of the multiverse. They need to start fresh with the x-men too. As much as I love Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman, Ian McKellan, Michael Fassbender and and James Macavoy they need to move on and start over.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Maybe we’ll get an MCU reset after secret war. Then they could introduce the X-Men in a variety of ways.

Otherwise it could be messy. MCU continuity is already convoluted.

[sa226]

I don't really care what the story arc is. Infinity saga, multiverse, whatever. The stories have just been bad.

Multiverse of madness had real potential, but was just bad. No stakes, no ramifications.

Antman was bad AND confusing for its own lack of stakes and the fact that the D level avenger took down a Kang variant.

It's just a mess.

With Phase one through three (four?) Even with below average films (Thor 2, Iron Man 3) You knew they were building towards something, so you'd put up with it.

Now, who knows what's going on, it's confusing. It doesn't help that their big idea for TV series has backfired because nothing is happening in them, the story arc of the MCU is not being furthered by these shows.

Superhero fatigue is a real thing right now, but the MCU isn't doing themselves any favors either.

[monkeyman]

I think Marvel has jumped the shark.

[#-3]

I still think the MCU is redeemable, but all of these guys, Star Wars, Marvel, DC... need to take improve lessons.

Every movie mush start with "Yes, And"

There isn't a "No, Tony's not actually dead"

There isn't a "But, did you know during the battle of New York some Chitauri took a wrong turn, ended up 70 miles outside of town and fought a secret team of well established super heroes, who didn't get involved because you know 70 miles was too far to bother for their super sonic jet this time"

[blankall]

Disney's handling of Star Wars has shown me that any of their franchises are capable of putting out both great and terrible content. I don't understand the overwhelming brand loyalty/disdain when it comes to superhero franchises. With the MCU the major issue was that so many fanboys acknowledged the formulaic nature of the franchise, but still were giving it unlimited accolades. Predictably, that formula eventually got tired.

That being said, there's still a lot of great material there, the MCU just needs to sit down and put together a good film. But yeah, using the multiverse/time travel/cosmic powers to bring back an old character is likely not the answer for them.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by blankall

Disney's handling of Star Wars has shown me that any of their franchises are capable of putting out both great and terrible content. I don't understand the overwhelming brand loyalty/disdain when it comes to superhero franchises. With the MCU the major issue was that so many fanboys acknowledged the formulaic nature of the franchise, but still were giving it unlimited accolades. Predictably, that formula eventually got tired.

That being said, there's still a lot of great material there, the MCU just needs to sit down and put together a good film. But yeah, using the multiverse/time travel/cosmic powers to bring back an old character is likely not the answer for them.

Yeah, that is certainly odd. Again, as consumers we should be wanting if demanding outstanding content from both franchises.

Similarly there is a cross-over between Star Trek and Star Wars fans, some are deadlocked but I'd wager most fans of either tend to like both.

In the case of DC/MCU that one has been a pitched battle. I like characters from both sides and I'd say that I think DC has some most of the better and more renowned characters, Marvel just did more with theirs.

So for instance, I dont think there is a single DC movie I would happily sit down and re-watch..."I really enjoyed that!" No. I'd be like Malcolm McDowell in 'A Clockwork Orange.'

Whereas I'd happily sit down and re-watch any Marvel film. They just have that quality to them.

Similarly, I'm an 'Old School' Star Trek Fan, you want to sit down and watch Wrath of Khan or, hell, even Search for Spock? Giddy up!

I'm also an 'Old School' Star Wars fan....you want to sit down and watch The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi? Sure, I just have to go to....the....bathroom....yes!

*Sounds of Window breaking, car starting and Locke escaping*

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah, that is certainly odd. Again, as consumers we should be wanting if demanding outstanding content from both franchises.

Similarly there is a cross-over between Star Trek and Star Wars fans, some are deadlocked but I'd wager most fans of either tend to like both.

In the case of DC/MCU that one has been a pitched battle. I like characters from both sides and I'd say that I think DC has some most of the better and more renowned characters, Marvel just did more with theirs.

So for instance, I dont think there is a single DC movie I would happily sit down and re-watch..."I really enjoyed that!" No. I'd be like Malcolm McDowell in 'A Clockwork Orange.'

Whereas I'd happily sit down and re-watch any Marvel film. They just have that quality to them.

Similarly, I'm an 'Old School' Star Trek Fan, you want to sit down and watch Wrath of Khan or, hell, even Search for Spock? Giddy up!

I'm also an 'Old School' Star Wars fan....you want to sit down and watch The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi? Sure, I just have to go to....the....bathroom....yes!

*Sounds of Window breaking, car starting and Locke escaping*

This is speaking in very very general terms, because I think on an individual bases you could pick this argument apart, but I've always found this view confusing.

And, I grew up in the 90s when the marvel tv cartoons were really at the top of the superhero market, so it might skew my view. I don't know that Batman - Superman - Wonder Woman are any more Iconic than Spiderman - Wolverine - Hulk. If you are anywhere under ~45, I can't imagine a time where one of those trios would have dominated the other completely in the cultural zeitgeist. And for me Marvel has always had a much much deeper bench, as a kid I could name a dozen Xmen, the members of the Fantastic 4, 5 or 6 Avengers, and Deadpool/Blade/The Punisher.... But even now, without having appeared in a movie I've seen in the past 10 years I would have had a tough time digging past the 6 main members of the Justice league for DC.

Fundamentally I think DCs characters are just flatter and more archetypal, where Marvel has always leaned harder into the flawed nature of their heroes. Leading to a difference in where the points of tension are in their stories. Superman and Batman would never lose a head-head fight vs their specific rouges, so the tension is around weather of not they will arrive on time to save the day. When they are losing a fight it is a departure from their rouges gallery or the nature of the character as they have been presented to us, it's a story waiting for us to return to the normal world where Superman flies really fast to catch a falling louis. Where Marvel also formulaic will normally show their hero losing round one of the fight, and framing the tension around if they can re-group and fight back, when they get an easy win it is a departure, usually to setup a fall from hubristic heights.

For me I think the later is just a more compelling story telling device and give you more degrees of latitude to work with, and it would have been truly remarkable if DC could have capture cultural attention they way the Infinity Saga did, the depth of story telling just isn't there.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by #-3

I don't know that Batman - Superman - Wonder Woman are any more Iconic than Spiderman - Wolverine - Hulk. If you are anywhere under ~45, I can't imagine a time where one of those trios would have dominated the other completely in the cultural zeitgeist.

Kind of depends. When I was a kid, I was watching Transformers cartoons - X-Men came later, and by then I wasn't watching many cartoons. The comis I was into were generally ARchie comics. I knew who the X-men were, kind of. I knew who Spiderman was. I knew who Hulk was, but as a tv character, not a comic book movie.


But the Superman movies were still very well known, and then came along Michael Keaton and Batman - so for me, and many people i know, DC was far ahead of Marvel - even without a lot of us knowing the difference between the two companies.


Obviously YMMV.

[blankall]

One thing to keep in mind is that comic book popularity doesn't necessarily equate to overall popularity/notoriety. The crowd that reads comic book is heavily skewed towards males aged 12+, who skew to a certain disposition. That audience, for example, will know a lot more about Gambit than the average movie goer.

In the 90s, up until the mid 2000s or so, X-men, and all the spinoffs, dominated the comic book sales market, with Spiderman likely at a definitive #2. That doesn't mean that Wonderwoman, Aquaman, the Flash, and the Green Lantern weren't well known amongst the average movie-going population.

Even then by the end of the 2000s, DC had really turned things around, with Green Lantern and the Flash all making massive comebacks:

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2009.html

And even though, they were dominating the superhero movie scene, X-men comic sales had fallen off a cliff.

DC domination was pretty short lived, and by 2015, you had Spiderman and Wolverine on top, with Batman a 3rd:

https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2014.html

[FireGilbert]

When I heard the good reviews for Across the Spider-verse I was skeptical that it could be any better than the first. 140 minutes later after crying at least 5 times I'm now thinking the reviews underrated this masterpiece.

[GreenLantern]

Apparently variety has reported Mamoa is in talks with Gunn to play Lobo in Superman Legacy.

Insert it’s happening people gif here.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Apparently variety has reported Mamoa is in talks with Gunn to play Lobo in Superman Legacy.

Insert it’s happening people gif here.

Momoa is a good choice, but it might be odd seeing him in the same Universe but as a different character.

For Lobo I had it at a coin-toss between Momoa and Jack Black.

[Sr. Mints]

First they cast Catwoman with Ororo Monroe, and I did not speak out—because I don't think I even saw Catwoman. Then they cast Captain America with The Human Torch, and I did not speak out—because Ben Mulroney's two-second appearance in Fantastic Four vexes me to this day. Then they came for Deadpool and tried to make us forget about Green Lantern, and I did not speak out—because I was okay with forgetting about Green Lantern. Then they came for the Aquaman . . .

[Nadal Fan]

The casting of Mamoa as Lobo is so boring, there is no creativity put in. What's next they are going to cast Hemsworth as Aquaman or William Dafoe as the Joker.

[ResAlien]

Were you pulling for Michael Cera?

[getbak]

I've said it before, Momoa was bad casting for Aquaman, but perfect for Lobo, so I have no problem with it. I think the only other person who could have been a good Lobo is Bautista, but he'd look weird with hair and Lobo would look weird bald.

Actually, Liam Hemsworth would be a really good choice for Aquaman.