2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Buyout Stone next summer, trade Brodie for quality assets and see if someone will take Frolik off our hands and we have all kinds of cap flexibility

I am almost 100 percent certain that Stone would garner interest in the trade market.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

You present this as if Brodie's contributions are less vital to this team's success than Hamonic's.

They're not. Brodie may play a more saturated style but his contributions are a far more significant part of the team's success. If Andersson could handle top 4 duties (no, he can't yet) I'd be perfectly content moving Hamonic even if we lose the aesthetics of Hamonic's fearless style.

The team at this point would be idiotic to move Brodie. They probably shouldn't move Hamonic either until Andersson shows better ability to hang in a top 4 role with Hanifin.

If we're moving a D it's most likely Stone, maybe Prout too as a favour. Or maybe we're moving one of our trifecta of young L.D. - Hanifin, Valimaki, Kylington, although I feel it's too early to make a decision there given the ceilings of these three.

No, I present it like Hamonic's skill set is less common on the Flames than Brodie's. I think you underestimate Hamonic's impact. IMO he allows Hanifin to be Hanifin, in addition to his own play. He is tremendously underrated for his first pass. He skates it out decently when it's required. He's second to none on the boards.

I think Hanifin is a Brodie in training. Valimaki and Kylington as well. I just don't see a Hamonic in training.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No, I present it like Hamonic's skill set is less common on the Flames than Brodie's. I think you underestimate Hamonic's impact. IMO he allows Hanifin to be Hanifin, in addition to his own play. He is tremendously underrated for his first pass. He skates it out decently when it's required. He's second to none on the boards.

I think Hanifin is a Brodie in training. Valimaki and Kylington as well. I just don't see a Hamonic in training.

Gio elevates whoever plays with him. The one game Andersson played there, he looked great. Therefore, trade Brodie at the top of his value and replace him in the top pairing with Whoever.

Rince. Repeat until Gio is no longer serviceable (2029?)

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No, I present it like Hamonic's skill set is less common on the Flames than Brodie's. I think you underestimate Hamonic's impact. IMO he allows Hanifin to be Hanifin, in addition to his own play. He is tremendously underrated for his first pass. He skates it out decently when it's required. He's second to none on the boards.

I think Hanifin is a Brodie in training. Valimaki and Kylington as well. I just don't see a Hamonic in training.

Brodie allows Giordano to be Giordano. Or is that not important? Gio is a great player, but it's no coincidence his best seasons have ALL come with Brodie.

How can Hanifin be a Brodie in training when they play different sides of the ice?

Hanifin does benefit from Hamonic. I implied as much in my post. But Gio-Brodie are far more crucial to our success than Hanifin-Hamonic. One is IMO the best D pair in the NHL. One is a pretty good second pair, but arguably not even a top 30 D pair.

Finally Valimaki is far closer to Hamonic than he is to Brodie.

[Toonage]

Re: Boston Globe
So basically weaken our team so we have money to add depth?

Dumb. And not happening.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No, I present it like Hamonic's skill set is less common on the Flames than Brodie's. I think you underestimate Hamonic's impact. IMO he allows Hanifin to be Hanifin, in addition to his own play. He is tremendously underrated for his first pass. He skates it out decently when it's required. He's second to none on the boards.

I think Hanifin is a Brodie in training. Valimaki and Kylington as well. I just don't see a Hamonic in training.

I was going to post earlier that I now think Brodie is the most under-rated and under-appreciated player on the team.

Then you said "hold my beer"

[calf]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Yup, a solid second line centre and some help in the net should be on BT's Xmas list....

....wait..

what's this I hear about Flash's Grandma?

Breaking: Flash is fotze's son.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Brodie allows Giordano to be Giordano. Or is that not important? Gio is a great player, but it's no coincidence his best seasons have ALL come with Brodie.

How can Hanifin be a Brodie in training when they play different sides of the ice?

Hanifin does benefit from Hamonic. I implied as much in my post. But Gio-Brodie are far more crucial to our success than Hanifin-Hamonic. One is IMO the best D pair in the NHL. One is a pretty good second pair, but arguably not even a top 30 D pair.

Finally Valimaki is far closer to Hamonic than he is to Brodie.

Gio allows Gio to be Gio. But moreover, I'm talking about skill sets. Hanifin is more similar to Brodie,and I also think Valimaki and Kylington are going to be a lot like Brodie, whereas no one is like Hamonic.

You seem to think this is a slight on Brodie. He may be more important right now, but if there are four guys who do the same things as him, and none that do what Hamonic does, even if Hamonic isn't "better", you don't trade him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

Gio elevates whoever plays with him. The one game Andersson played there, he looked great. Therefore, trade Brodie at the top of his value and replace him in the top pairing with Whoever.

Rince. Repeat until Gio is no longer serviceable (2029?)

IIRC, Chicago did this with Chelio's d-partner. I think he even made Bryan Marchment look like an NHL d-man for a while.

[Enoch Root]

No one else does what Brodie does either.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No one else does what Brodie does either.

Not yet. But there are developing players who could. Unlike Hamonic, as far as I can tell.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

IIRC, Chicago did this with Chelio's d-partner. I think he even made Bryan Marchment look like an NHL d-man for a while.

But do you know what Chicago didn't do, when they got good?

They didn't touch their top 3 D (Keith, Seabrook and Hjalmarsson).

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not yet. But there are developing players who could. Unlike Hamonic, as far as I can tell.

Okay, and when/if those young players become as good as Brodie, then maybe trading him becomes a conversation. But doing so now, and hoping they fill his shoes, is not how you build a winning team (it's how you build a perpetual rebuilder).

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

Gio elevates whoever plays with him. The one game Andersson played there, he looked great. Therefore, trade Brodie at the top of his value and replace him in the top pairing with Whoever.

Rince. Repeat until Gio is no longer serviceable (2029?)

This is pure revisionist history. Andersson was visibly overwhelmed by his duties in that game after Peters put him with Gio, but was already having the best game of his career before being elevated up the lineup, probably because he was playing against the team his dad played for and was on an adrenaline rush.

In fact the team has yet to ice a single pairing this season where the team outshoots the opponent with Rasmus Andersson on the ice, and the highest unblocked shots attempts against rate was with Giordano with 54 unblocked shot attempts against per 60 minutes:



The Flames would be absolutely foolish to elevate Andersson to a top 4 role at this point. His poise and offensive skill keeps him deservedly in the lineup but he consistently gets overwhelmed in his own zone - arguably more than Valimaki or Kylington to my eye, never mind Brodie or Hamonic.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But do you know what Chicago didn't do, when they got good?

They didn't touch their top 3 D (Keith, Seabrook and Hjalmarsson).

Good for them? Did they have 4 young guys pushing for spots? Did they have an expansion draft to contend with? They also chose to trade their abundance of forwards when the cap crunch came too much.

The Flames would be smart to move one of Brodie or Hamonic this summer to free up some cap space and get some quality assets in for a player rather than lose him for nothing. Next year it is Gio, Hamonic, Hanifin, Andersson, Valimaki, Kylington as out blueline and maybe bring in a cheap veteran for the 7 spot.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Okay, and when/if those young players become as good as Brodie, then maybe trading him becomes a conversation. But doing so now, and hoping they fill his shoes, is not how you build a winning team (it's how you build a perpetual rebuilder).

Who said now? I said next year at best. I specifically said I doubt anyone gets moved this year.

My comment is based on several factors: internal slotting on the Flames, return in value for the trade, salary cap, the player other teams will want, among others.

[Enoch Root]

The article that spawned this conversation said now (next couple months).

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Good for them? Did they have 4 young guys pushing for spots? Did they have an expansion draft to contend with? They also chose to trade their abundance of forwards when the cap crunch came too much.

The Flames would be smart to move one of Brodie or Hamonic this summer to free up some cap space and get some quality assets in for a player rather than lose him for nothing. Next year it is Gio, Hamonic, Hanifin, Andersson, Valimaki, Kylington as out blueline and maybe bring in a cheap veteran for the 7 spot.

Yes, because defense wins championships.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The article that spawned this conversation said now (next couple months).

It that scenario it is really only Stone you move. Flames shouldn’t be subtracting from this current team now but they will need to make moves this summer and moving one of Brodie or Hamonic makes sense. I think Brodie makes more sense than Hamonic.

[Roof-Daddy]

I don't see them trading a Dman during the season.

Maaaaaybe Stone if he can get healthy and play some good games.

Next off season I can see it though, if Andersson, Kylington and Valimaki continue to impress.