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[Fire of the Phoenix]

Glenn's dead. The show will have to completely jump the shark to let him live. The writers have done some strange things before but having Glenn escape this would be beyond ridiculous, even for them.

[burnin_vernon]

Aside from what is plausible, I would be shocked if the show killed Glen this way. Going forward, he would only be presumed dead or missing and the gang would probably never see his body to get closure. An army of walkers like that would lick the plate clean. He'd just be gone.

Hollywood does not kill off a beloved character of 6 long seasons, and miss cashing in on any of the emotional payday that his friends'/wife's reaction would provide. It's one thing to kill off protagonists, but you don't do it without getting as many viewer's tears as possible.

Having said that, if that was his death, I'll have more respect for this show than ever.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by burnin_vernon

Aside from what is plausible, I would be shocked if the show killed Glen this way. Going forward, he would only be presumed dead or missing and the gang would probably never see his body to get closure. An army of walkers like that would lick the plate clean. He'd just be gone.

Hollywood does not kill off a beloved character of 6 long seasons, and miss cashing in on any of the emotional payday that his friends'/wife's reaction would provide. It's one thing to kill off protagonists, but you don't do it without getting as many viewer's tears as possible.

Having said that, if that was his death, I'll have more respect for this show than ever.

When he doesn't return with Rick, they're going to assume he's dead, and it will be emotional. They may never confirm it, but as the days and weeks drag on, Maggie will know. That could provide emotional impact for the rest of the season if done right. Not everything has to be slammed in their faces with a samurai sword or a baseball bat, sometimes people just disappear, especially with tens of millions of zombies just roaming around.

A main character's death doesn't have to be epic, sometimes things can just go wrong. The lesson this season has been pushing is: Don't take any chances. That's exactly what Glenn did when he let Nick live and when he tried to save/fix him. He screwed himself with his own good intentions, all for a high risk/low reward proposition. Best case, Nick becomes a contributing member of the group, worst case he gets people killed. Well, the worst happened and it's 100% on Glenn. Obviously, he wasn't thinking 'risk vs reward', he was just wanting to be a good guy and do the right thing... something that has been proven time and time again to get people killed in a ZA.

I liked it personally, for a zombie death it was as good as one could expect for a main character. Not every main character needs to die at the hands of a sadistic madman, sometimes a zombie (or 300) will suffice. I was speechless when it happened, it was one of the second most impactful death for me to date. Most impactful would have to be Lori for me. I almost cried and I didn't like Lori at all, and I literally never cry when watching movies/tv.

At least this was far, far better than the deaths of Dale, Andrea, Tyrese and Beth. Dale and Tyrese went out like chumps. Andrea was so dumb it almost wrecked season 3 for me with how stupid she was. Beth's death was the culmination of the most boring story-arch to date (the hospital).

Glenn didn't deserve better, he got exactly what he deserved. They foreshadowed like crazy that Nick would be his undoing, and it happened. There is no way in hell they are bringing him back, that would be like trying to get the toothpaste back into the tube.

[Wormius]

As much as I love this show, I don't think its physics can be trusted for concluding how Glenn and Nicholas fell off the dumpster together. Yes, Nicholas probably should have just crumpled down, rather than diving off the bin. But for those same inconsistencies, Glenn could have somehow ended up underneath Nicholas. Anyway, the zombies know fresh flesh. They will eat whatever non-decaying piece of meat is there. Glenn wouldn't be safe from that.

Re: Enid and her "we" comment, I thought she was taking about "we" as in her and Carl when they went in and out without detection?

Also, why so many people left to suffer while being eaten by zombies? I would have thought some mercy would be shown and they would put those guys out of their misery while being eaten alive. Especially the last guy who bit the dust. Enough gunfire had taken place trying to get Michonne over the fence. Though they would save one for Ensign Ricky who didn't make it over the fence.

[Poe969]

I"m going to say that I think Glen is alive but he's going to die in the next 1-2 episodes. I think the zombies are eating Nicholas and he'll find a way to get out of there but he'll get bit in the process. We'll see him again.

[Flash Walken]

Whether Glen is alive or not, so far this is easily the best season of the show to date.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Whether Glen is alive or not, so far this is easily the best season of the show to date.

Totally agree, I don't think they can keep the pace for another 13 episodes though. It will be interesting to see where the writers go with it as the pace inevitably slows, something that the show routinely gets criticized for, though I don't necessarily agree.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

We've barely scratched the surface on the wolves; there is much more gold to mine there in my view.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

We've barely scratched the surface on the wolves; there is much more gold to mine there in my view.

Yeah that attack wasn't a one off.

I reckon the wolves have a lair somewhere.

Rick will find it.

[GreenLantern]

Or maybe even ... a den?

Wakaw wakaw wakaw

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Or maybe even ... a den?

Wakaw wakaw wakaw

He is my favourite Muppet.

I was referring to the Wolfsschanze in my post.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Totally agree, I don't think they can keep the pace for another 13 episodes though. It will be interesting to see where the writers go with it as the pace inevitably slows, something that the show routinely gets criticized for, though I don't necessarily agree.

Some of the slow episodes have been my favorite episodes.

I think the problem is the show attracts a casual audience. The casual audience turns in for gore and action. When they see an episode that focuses on mood or character development they get on twitter to complain.

The show needs to keep doing what it's doing. It still has a ton of great material from the comics to work with.

[Fuzz]

In one of the previews someone mentioned every episode will be like a season finale. So maybe the pace stays high.

[lifetime_flamesfan]

Originally Posted by blankall

Some of the slow episodes have been my favorite episodes.

I think the problem is the show attracts a casual audience. The casual audience turns in for gore and action. When they see an episode that focuses on mood or character development they get on Calgarypuck to complain.

The show needs to keep doing what it's doing. It still has a ton of great material from the comics to work with.

Fixed your post

[Jason14h]

We've barely scratched the surface on the wolves; there is much more gold to mine there in my view

I'm not so sure. With Rick killing those other 5 and them having no guns when they attacked, I think they may be almost wiped out.

How much of a threat can a group of people with no guns who just lost 20 people to essentially women and children be, when they had the element of surprise

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I'm not so sure. With Rick killing those other 5 and them having no guns when they attacked, I think they may be almost wiped out.

How much of a threat can a group of people with no guns who just lost 20 people to essentially women and children be, when they had the element of surprise

I don't believe they are a rag tag group of people. I believe they set that trap that allowed Morgan to act the savoir.

To me you would need to be an organized large group to herd all those walkers in and set the trap.

[nfotiu]

I'm too scared to click on it. But what is in the spoilers thread? Is the show still based on comics? For some reason I thought they had caught up and passed the comics, but maybe I am just confusing GOT?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

I'm too scared to click on it. But what is in the spoilers thread? Is the show still based on comics? For some reason I thought they had caught up and passed the comics, but maybe I am just confusing GOT?

Yes, you're confusing it with GoT.

The Walking Dead tv show and comics have always existed in different continuities, but there has also been a link between them. Some characters exist on one and not the other and some characters die much earlier in the storyline in one than the other. Some storylines exist in only one or the other; or are changed significantly from the comic to the tv show.

To give you some idea, in the comics, the group arrived at Alexandria in Issue #69, which came out in January 2010. The current issue is #147, so there have been more issues of the comics after their arrival at Alexandria than before.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I'm not so sure. With Rick killing those other 5 and them having no guns when they attacked, I think they may be almost wiped out.

I seriously doubt that's the case. This is the local power; they're not going down that easily. Remember, when Morgan admonishes the one guy who ended up with a gun for choosing to live this way, he says "we didn't choose". I suspect that (as was suggested earlier) there is a larger group, with the higher-ups having the guns as a means of controlling these guys and having them do the raids.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Totally agree, I don't think they can keep the pace for another 13 episodes though. It will be interesting to see where the writers go with it as the pace inevitably slows, something that the show routinely gets criticized for, though I don't necessarily agree.

For me, it's not necessarily the action, it's the writing not being bad or predictable.

A few episodes back I predicted it would Ron who was setting off the horn. Tune in next episode, nope, definitely not, but in a way that was exciting and crazy and also made sense within what we currently knew about the characters as well as with the mystery of outer world they inhabit.

I dunno, seems silly, but there's been good character progress without it being as laborious as in previous seasons.