2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The rumored Karlsson deal was pickering, 1st and granlund. Assume the same for hanifin.

Pickering, 1st, Poulin for hanfin with some retention then? It's not terrible.

[Jimdon]

Im surprised there hasn't been action on hanifin yet. Young, solid top 4 D thats not going to cost a fortune to lock down. Every contender in the league should be looking at him. Every insider says he's available.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by BagoPucks

Is Keiffer Bellows worth a show me contract? He seems to say all the right things. It could be a worthy gamble. Thoughts?

Bellows is kind of interesting, but I would pass. He had a pretty good 2021-22 season, where he scored 19 points in 45 games for the Isles- pretty good when you consider that he played only 11:52 ATOI. Pretty meh when you consider that he wasn't tasked with playing defense at all, and was badly sheltered. He was jettisoned to Philly, where he put up only 3 points in 27 games before being shipped off to the AHL.

Bellows has size and snarl, a good physical game, and his best asset is his lethal shot. That said, he's never been a good skater, or all-around player. He's 25, so he's not looking like an NHL player at this point. Just my opinion.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I've never heard this, but I would say Florida would be crazy to trade Barkov, especially when they wouldn't be saving much cap with Lindholm after this upcoming season. Barkov is elite-Lindholm is not.

Ya, it wasn’t my idea or anything, just something I heard.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Ya, it wasn’t my idea or anything, just something I heard.

Yeah, no worries- that's what this thread is for, rumours and speculation.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Yeah, no worries- that's what this thread is for, rumours and speculation.

And I guess the question would be, how big is the gap between Lindholm and Barkov? Then, how much value does Florida see in a d man like Hanifin to close that gap? The next troubling part is, how would Calgary fit it all under the cap?

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

And I guess the question would be, how big is the gap between Lindholm and Barkov? Then, how much value does Florida see in a d man like Hanifin to close that gap? The next troubling part is, how would Calgary fit it all under the cap?

Lindholm and Barkov are both excellent defensively, but I would still give the nod to Barkov. Offensively, Barkov is a much better player. The one equalizer is that Barkov gets hurt a lot, where Lindholm does not. Does Hanifin close the gap? Not sure he does.....

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Pickering, 1st, Poulin for hanfin with some retention then? It's not terrible.

Yes it is. Pass.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Poulin has zero value at this stage.
The 1st is the potential valuable asset as I'm not sure the Pens will be good. Really tough to know though because with Crosby/Malkin/Letang they could be.
Pickering I don't think has a ton of upside, but they just don't have much in the system to draw from, unless they are willing to put Yager on the table.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

is this CMPDAVE legit? I see his posts, but not sure if he's real.

Much like Boston with Lindholm, the Penguins have nothing I would want for Hanifin. Their prospects are meh except Yager and they are not going to move him as their cupboards are bare. They didn't have the assets to land Karlsson and imo they don't have them to land Hanifin either.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Take a look at how much Vladar played at NHL level before we traded for him and made him the bonafide #2. Hint….his total NHL games played with Boston rhymes with jive. He wasn’t even in our organization and we made that bet.

Five games is more than one, and Vladar had spent more time with the Bruins actually practicing and developing in the NHL. He'd played as a part time backup in Boston, and would have had more games except the season was shortened due to covid. I'd also say that Vladar, who has size and skillset more typically of an NHL goalie, was seen as less of a risk.

Basically Vladar did have that part time season backup season in Boston in 2020/21, that I am saying Wolf still needs. Vladar wasn't just given a backup role.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by stemit14

With the trade market as it is, I wonder if combining some of the 2024 UFAs in a trade will return more quality instead of quantity. For example,

To Pittsburgh:
Hanifin
Backlund (50% retained)

To Calgary:
Yager
2024 first round pick (lottery protected)
2024 second round pick
Granlund (cap dump)

Traded separately to different teams, I think Backlund could return a 2nd round pick + B prospect and I think Hanifin returns a 1st round pick + 2nd round pick + B prospect. So they could get more quantity (picks/prospects) that way. But together, maybe they could get a higher quality prospect (Yager) in the trade instead.


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That is an absolutely horrible trade for the Flames.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

That is an absolutely horrible trade for the Flames.

Alternatively : hanifin and backs (at 50%) for Yager, pickering, 2024 1st and granlund wouldn't be bad because I see pickering as having mid 1st value. Also, in a weaker draft Yager would be late top 10.

That's essentially three 1sts and granlund.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Alternatively : hanifin and backs (at 50%) for Yager, pickering, 2024 1st and granlund wouldn't be bad because I see pickering as having mid 1st value. Also, in a weaker draft Yager would be late top 10.

That's essentially three 1sts and granlund.

I think that is more reasonable. Granlund is a pure cap dump, and a 50% retained Backlund has good value.

[blankall]

The Pens will need to add a 1st and 2nd to move Granlund. He's awful right now and signed for two years at $5 million, as slightly back loaded, so $11 million real dollars.

[FlamesAddiction]

The Pens are in an interesting spot. They are on the decline, but Crosby and Malkin are still premiere players in the league, but don't have a lot of time left. Would they mortgage the future for another chance at a championship while those 2 are still top players? If they do, they are probably going to hobble the eventual rebuild that they will need to go through.

[mile]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

is this CMPDAVE legit? I see his posts, but not sure if he's real.

IIRC got the Huska hiring right a week before it was announced, before Friedman said anything. Also correctly said that Toffoli would be the first UFA to go and that term was the issue.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Much like Boston with Lindholm, the Penguins have nothing I would want for Hanifin. Their prospects are meh except Yager and they are not going to move him as their cupboards are bare. They didn't have the assets to land Karlsson and imo they don't have them to land Hanifin either.

More importantly they don’t have the cap space to land Karlsson. Hanifin is much more easy to fit in from a cap perspective.

Also floating out there is that SJ wants Petterson from Pitt in any karlsson deal. So dubas might be trying to plug a hole if he sends petterson to SJ. I think that SJ is not going to get a lot for Karlsson, but with the limited assets they have, how do they divvy them up over 2 deals? Or he’s come to the realization that karlsson deal is not happening and he’s moved on to plan b.

Dubas is a riverboat gambler and doesn’t have shanahan looking over his shoulder anymore. So he can do what he wants. He’s going to make a splash, just a matter of when and with who.

[genetic_phreek]

I'm probably in the minority but if we trade Lindholm I would love to try and get Kuznetsov. He's got two years left on his contract, he's still electric and a change of scenery can do wonders for motivation. Plus playing with fellow Russian Zadorov, Belarusian Sharangovich could ease in the transition. When he's on his game, he drives play.

[jayswin]

I'm with ya, to be honest. I get trying to continually build character and for players that will be here for the long run. But if you're intellectually honest and this team is trying to win now like that appear to be then a player like him would be a great add for two years of service.