Israel declares war on Hamas

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Oh please.

Canada is virtue signalling right now, and given our history of selling weapons to other countries killing thousands of innocents, I don't think we can start claiming that we care.

But I guess everyone cares now, because its Israel, whereas when its Yemen or Saudi Arabia, nobody gives a ####.

Not enabling someone to murder and steal isn't virtue signalling, it's the right thing to do.

And why can't we stare caring now? Is there a thing that says if you did bad things you are no longer permitted to change policy to be better? The whataboutism is tiring when people are being starved to death.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Azure

Oh please.

Canada is virtue signalling right now, and given our history of selling weapons to other countries killing thousands of innocents, I don't think we can start claiming that we care.

But I guess everyone cares now, because its Israel, whereas when its Yemen or Saudi Arabia, nobody gives a ####.

I think there has been very vocal critics of Canada selling weapons to Saudi Arabia. It gets brought often on CP at least.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I think there has been very vocal critics of Canada selling weapons to Saudi Arabia. It gets brought often on CP at least.

Forget selling weapons. Canada is criticized regularly for buying Saudi oil.

It’s just another “what about ___” designed to shift the topic. Anyone genuinely against these things would be a lot less focused on the supposed hypocrisy of it and a lot more in favour of the action.

[activeStick]

Israel is pouting and has cancelled their planned visit to the WH because the US didn't block the UN ceasefire vote.

[TheIronMaiden]

The CBC alone was a very vocal critic in 2018 when the latest deal was signed.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/londo...abia-1.5901646

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pow...abia-1.4918876

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sau...port-1.4172182

Al Jazeera have also been very critical

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...-saudis-report

The Gaudian as well

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...0the%20kingdom.

[Firebot]

In a pretty significant shift in US policy, the US abstained in the UN resolution for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. This type of resolution is usually vetoed by the US, a sign that the US is definitely tired of Netanyahu's crap.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/25/middl...ntl/index.html

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Firebot

In a pretty significant shift in US policy, the US abstained in the UN resolution for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. This type of resolution is usually vetoed by the US, a sign that the US is definitely tired of Netanyahu's crap.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/25/middl...ntl/index.html

The US isn't tired of it at all. They do not give a ##### about the innocent in Palestine. This was done because they are finally hearing the citizens in the US who are not for what their government is doing. It's for votes.

An article even stated, "The US move signals divergence with Israel - although the White House insists it's not a policy shift".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-68658973

[flylock shox]

It still has a big effect though, as with the US keeping mum on this resolution at the UN it leaves Israel looking much more isolated.

I would like to think this would mean Netanyahu would have to moderate his approach but - as with everything he does - the outcome is predictably not going to be that. I expect the schism between the US and Israel to grow, even if mostly behind the scenes. Netanyahu is no more than a liability for Biden.

[Bagor]

Damn you all for interfering in our genocide. Don't you understand that we've got children to kill and a population to starve to death!

Straight out of the beninho playbook.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1772308009219174860

[Beninho]

https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793560

Straight out of the Hamas propagandists playbook.

The only reason Hamas and Al-Jazeera walked it back is because the fake story saw Palestinians flee away from Shifa and that would of course mean less human shields.

But if you believe Bagor Hamas never used this hospital as a terror base. Israel must have planted the hundreds of terrorists hiding there.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

But if you believe Bagor Hamas never used this hospital as a terror base. Israel must have planted the hundreds of terrorists hiding there.

You got proof it was used as a base?

[robertsfan]

https://x.com/sensanders/status/1772...PW0P5yX3muLt6g

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

You got proof it was used as a base?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/u...tal-hamas.html

[Bagor]

Can't read the article.
When is it from?
Is this US intelligence based on what IDF told them?

Please present proof.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Can't read the article.
When is it from?
Is this US intelligence based on what IDF told them?

Please present proof.

January 3rd

“A senior U.S. intelligence official said on Tuesday that the American government continued to believe that Hamas used the hospital complex and sites beneath it to exercise command and control activities, store weapons and hold “at least a few hostages.”

“But the American intelligence assessment has remained firm that the hospital was used by Hamas. The new intelligence represents the most current American assessment, officials said.”

“The complex was used by both Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad to command forces fighting against Israel, according to the intelligence.”

“While the spy agencies provided no visual evidence, a U.S. official said they were confident in their assessment because it was based on information collected by Israel and America’s own intelligence, gathered independently.”

[Zary's-Mustache]

Who cares if they used the hospital? What does that even matter? Why are the israeli genocide supporters so hung up on if they used a hospital? It's not like they're allowed to build their own infrastructure for terrorist activities.

I mean they're a terrorist organization, if they use a hospital that isn't shocking.

Just more deflection of the genocide.

[Bagor]

tunnel underneath the Al-Shifa hospital complex in Gaza City was used extensively by Hamas for military operations and is nearly twice as long as the Israel Defense Forces had revealed, the New York Times reported Tuesday.

According to the report, based on classified Israeli intelligence documents the Times reviewed and information made public by the IDF, Hamas “used the hospital for cover, stored weapons inside it, and maintained a hardened tunnel beneath the complex that was supplied with water, power, and air-conditioning. "

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ny-tim...20the%20tunnel.

Ooohh! We've got proof but it's "classified".

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Beninho

“While the spy agencies provided no visual evidence, a U.S. official said they were confident in their assessment because it was based on information collected by Israel and America’s own intelligence, gathered independently.”

That's not proof. Where's the evidence?

Is there an official US statement on this from a named representative?

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Who cares if they used the hospital? What does that even matter? Why are the israeli genocide supporters so hung up on if they used a hospital? It's not like they're allowed to build their own infrastructure for terrorist activities.

I mean they're a terrorist organization, if they use a hospital that isn't shocking.

Just more deflection of the genocide.

Lol, not even worthy of a response. You never answered any of my questions earlier in this thread.

The discussion regarding using human shields has been labeled as Israeli propaganda by multiple posters so it is obviously a valid point to discuss. Especially when discussing why this is not a genocide. I don’t think you are capable of having this discussion given your admitted usage of tik tok which I would guess is where you get most of your information regarding this war.

Arab social media and news agencies lying about IDF officers raping and burning people alive for the umpteenth time is not something that should be discussed? Interesting.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Lol, not even worthy of a response. You never answered any of my questions earlier in this thread.

The discussion regarding using human shields has been labeled as Israeli propaganda by multiple posters so it is obviously a valid point to discuss. Especially when discussing why this is not a genocide. I don’t think you are capable of having this discussion given your admitted usage of tik tok which I would guess is where you get most of your information regarding this war.

Arab social media and news agencies lying about IDF officers raping and burning people alive for the umpteenth time is not something that should be discussed? Interesting.

Were the 3 Israeli hostages that were slaughtered by Israeli snipers out in the open waving a white flag and pleading for their lives being used as human shields?