Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The cons look like absolute clowns with one line by the US President.

This one?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1639353042179956736

[Ozy_Flame]

One party corrected themselves. The other had to be told by the adult in the room to be big kids and pull their diapers up.

[Locke]

I dont think anyone really covered themselves in glory here.

And why do we care? Cons, Libs? Its all bad.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

One party corrected themselves. The other had to be told by the adult in the room to be big kids and pull their diapers up.

Well most of them pulled up their diapers but some stayed true to their anti-women position and never stood.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Yoho

This one?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1639353042179956736

Given what we've heard about the Trudeau government and China, he's not really mistaken.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont think anyone really covered themselves in glory here.



And why do we care? Cons, Libs? Its all bad.

I'd prefer if our elected representatives could put their differences aside for a few minutes and not look like complete buffoons

[Locke]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I'd prefer if our elected representatives could put their differences aside for a few minutes and not look like complete buffoons

Oh sweet summer child?

These people are morons.

[Fuzz]

Jen Gerson with a pretty on-point piece, as always.

What if Trudeau took allegations of interference seriously at the outset, and his party avoided stunts like skipping committee meetings and filibustering to prevent the testimony of his chief of staff, Katie Telford?

Where would they be today if they hadn't squandered every iota of credibility and goodwill with the press, the NDP, and his own intelligence services? To put it more directly, what if they hadn’t spent the past few weeks acting as if they had something to hide?

I'm going to put something out for consideration: Perhaps the denials, obfuscations and attacks are only making the scandal worse. They're convincing journalists that there's a real story here while prompting an already pissy collection of national security sources to leak harder.

Look, I reserve judgment about whether or not this government is actually guilty of anything. A perfectly plausible explanation for Trudeau's actions is that he has been trying to deflect this scandal not because he and his crew are compromised, but rather because the whole Ottawa Establishment wants to avoid another nasty scrap with China. I'm not sure it has to be more complicated than that. It's also possible that elements within CSIS really have gone rogue.

https://theline.substack.com/p/jen-g...als-masters-at

Worth reading the whole thing.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1639462555507884035

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Jen Gerson with a pretty on-point piece, as always.

https://theline.substack.com/p/jen-g...als-masters-at

Worth reading the whole thing.

What if, instead of claiming he'd never been briefed, Trudeau back in November, responded with something like:

"Foreign interference from a broad range of actors is an ongoing problem in many countries, including ours. Of course I'm regularly briefed by our able intelligence service on an ongoing basis, and I respond accordingly. While I can't always give details about it due to national security concerns, I will always take reports and threats seriously and to respond appropriately."

It would be nice if all of that were also true, but governing is hard and this is Canada and no one is expecting miracles. At the very least, if Trudeau had responded like a serious and mature prime minister back then, he would have the political room to maneuver as more allegations were published.

Here is the thing. The Liberal party has a view people are to be managed and can’t think for themselves. Being honest with them means they are free to do what they want.

We’ve seen it countless times. COVID the biggest example. Trucker protests. Its a nanny state they want to build. Where they know the facts and we put up with it, because the Liberals will take care of us.

Kinda like China or Cuba, which Trudeaus admire but I digress.

I can’t believe people still prefer this government, its long in the tooth for them to sit out for a bit and shed the Trudeau era.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Here is the thing. The Liberal party has a view people are to be managed and can’t think for themselves. Being honest with them means they are free to do what they want.

We’ve seen it countless times. COVID the biggest example. Trucker protests. Its a nanny state they want to build. Where they know the facts and we put up with it, because the Liberals will take care of us.

Kinda like China or Cuba, which Trudeaus admire but I digress.

I can’t believe people still prefer this government, its long in the tooth for them to sit out for a bit and shed the Trudeau era.

The bolded comes from the fact that our Prime Ministers, that come from Quebec, have been in power more than 70% of the time since 1950.

IMO Quebec has had far too big an impact on our country, and a change is necessary if we are to be successful in the future.

[timun]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

I can’t believe people still prefer this government

Is there a credible alternative?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Locke

Huh...I hadnt heard about this.

I dunno...he's a head of state going to London for the biggest funeral of the Century?

Its not a cheap town to begin with, obviously every bigwig in the world is going to be there, there needs to be security, etc.

$6k a night actually seems pretty reasonable to me.

It’s really not about the money. It about the hypocrisy. Trudeau preaches to others then goes in a totally different direction.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...-costs-will-he

“Based on his own standards, Justin Trudeau owes Bev Oda an apology and Canadian taxpayers a refund.

Trudeau took to Twitter on Feb. 17, 2011, to demand Oda, who was then minister for International Cooperation, resign over hotel costs in London, England.

My how the tables have turned”


Based on Trudeau’s own word, he should pay taxpayers back and apologize to Canadians….

Funny thing is, I also don’t think this hotel bill is the biggest issue in the world, it is more about this government preaching one thing, practicing something totally different, and certainly not being open, honest, or transparent.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

It’s really not about the money. It about the hypocrisy. Trudeau preaches to others then goes in a totally different direction.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...-costs-will-he

“Based on his own standards, Justin Trudeau owes Bev Oda an apology and Canadian taxpayers a refund.

Trudeau took to Twitter on Feb. 17, 2011, to demand Oda, who was then minister for International Cooperation, resign over hotel costs in London, England.

My how the tables have turned”


Based on Trudeau’s own word, he should pay taxpayers back and apologize to Canadians….

Funny thing is, I also don’t think this hotel bill is the biggest issue in the world, it is more about this government preaching one thing, practicing something totally different, and certainly not being open, honest, or transparent.

So your issue is that Justin Trudeau is a hypocrite?

You may as well blame water for being wet or the sky for being blue.

He is entitled and from a Political family.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Here is the thing. The Liberal party has a view people are to be managed and can’t think for themselves. Being honest with them means they are free to do what they want.

We’ve seen it countless times. COVID the biggest example. Trucker protests. Its a nanny state they want to build. Where they know the facts and we put up with it, because the Liberals will take care of us.

Kinda like China or Cuba, which Trudeaus admire but I digress.

I can’t believe people still prefer this government, its long in the tooth for them to sit out for a bit and shed the Trudeau era.

So basically he has studied the success that his father had in Cuba establishing control and he wants to emulate that here. That isn't very surprising.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

So basically he has studied the success that his father had in Cuba establishing control and he wants to emulate that here. That isn't very surprising.

Should this be in green text?

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1639614188871118849

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Locke

So your issue is that Justin Trudeau is a hypocrite?

You may as well blame water for being wet or the sky for being blue.

He is entitled and from a Political family.

Yes basically.

Like most people, I have had some good bosses and some bad bosses.

The bad are do as I say, not as I do - I know more than you do.

The good are actual Leaders. I will show you how it should be done.

JT is a hypocritical, entitled, spoiled person. And it shows. Anyways, you already know that.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1639614188871118849

This is uncomfortably similar to the kind of attacks being conducted down south to sow division and distrust in institutions and to attack political opponents.

There needs to be very strong evidence of any of this kind of stuff, not just anonymous sources, otherwise it's just tearing the institutions apart for the sake of some clicks.

If there's evidence, produce it.

I'll refer back to Snowden again. When he had something extremely important to blow the whistle on, he provided something like 10,000 documents to the press as evidence. Arguably, what he was blowing the whistle on was maybe less serious than what's being insinuated in these kinds of tweets and reports, but these leaks for some reason don't come with receipts?

Reporting that "The source said they captured a conversation" is insufficient. If they're a credible source and they believe in this enough to risk their career and freedom, they should actually provide the evidence. As is, the primary effect they're having is damaging faith in the critical institutions themselves, including CSIS, while not providing anything definitive to the public.

[Yoho]

Hopefully there is an inquiry and all the proof comes out.