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Old 07-21-2025, 12:16 PM   #5601
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Getting something better than the Hanifin return for now. Don’t see how getting a LHD would affect trading Andersson.
While the logic may seem flimsy to some I could see the lack of adding a better piece of the left side slowing Conroy’s urgency to move Ras due to the optics for his players. This team just finished with 96pts and one of the core veterans Weegat stated he expected Conroy to try and improve the team over the summer. Had the Flames landed Miller, Lindgren, or Byram and flipped Andersson for futures Craig could sell to the team they added a big piece on the left side and hope that Parekh comes in and takes the open spot on the right.

With the Flames doing nothing other than swapping out backup goalies if they move Andersson now for picks it just looks like Conroy made the team worse. For Kadri, Weegar, Coleman and the others on the team they want to be in the playoffs next year.

Conroy wasn’t going to do anything crazy so he can enter the season with Andersson. If the team gets out of the gates flat it is easier to make the move early in season to get a straight picks package.
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Old 07-21-2025, 12:21 PM   #5602
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Thats why they hopefully leverage him into a young roster player instead of just a pick.

There are different types of trades. Some that dont take 3-5 years to bear fruit.

The pessimistic mindset of some is a little much.

One or two more guys turn onto studs from these great looking 24 & 25 draft classes and things can accelerate very quickly for the team.

There are a lot of promising seeds there.
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If Calgary/Craig we're willing to give up the assets a lot of you are concerned about him giving up (1st's/top prospects) then we'd be looking at Miller or Byram on the Flames right now.
Fortunately he's not, which is why you don't see them on the roster.

That "should" give you doubters (maybe too strong) so we'll go with concerned fans a bit of hope regarding what he's willing to give up to bring in certain players.
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Old 07-21-2025, 12:36 PM   #5604
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While the logic may seem flimsy to some I could see the lack of adding a better piece of the left side slowing Conroy’s urgency to move Ras due to the optics for his players. This team just finished with 96pts and one of the core veterans Weegat stated he expected Conroy to try and improve the team over the summer. Had the Flames landed Miller, Lindgren, or Byram and flipped Andersson for futures Craig could sell to the team they added a big piece on the left side and hope that Parekh comes in and takes the open spot on the right.

With the Flames doing nothing other than swapping out backup goalies if they move Andersson now for picks it just looks like Conroy made the team worse. For Kadri, Weegar, Coleman and the others on the team they want to be in the playoffs next year.

Conroy wasn’t going to do anything crazy so he can enter the season with Andersson. If the team gets out of the gates flat it is easier to make the move early in season to get a straight picks package.
If that is guiding his decisions then I’d be losing faith in him as a GM. Sitting on an asset that he knows won’t re-sign so he doesn’t hurt the feelings of players on a non playoff team would definitely be suboptimal.
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With all due respect to Kadri, Weegar and Coleman, these are all great players but they are not part of the future of the Flames, so they can all go too.
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With all due respect to Kadri, Weegar and Coleman, these are all great players but they are not part of the future of the Flames, so they can all go too.
I could see the Flames hanging onto them into the season, as they will want to see how the club is performing. If the Flames look like they will be a playoff team, they will be retained. If not, sold off.

Coleman is the most obvious of the 3 to move. Kadri, you really have to look at moving before he gets too old and you can't move him anymore. Weegar looks like the Flames best defender at this point, and is only 31. Tougher call.
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I could see the Flames hanging onto them into the season, as they will want to see how the club is performing. If the Flames look like they will be a playoff team, they will be retained. If not, sold off.

Coleman is the most obvious of the 3 to move. Kadri, you really have to look at moving before he gets too old and you can't move him anymore. Weegar looks like the Flames best defender at this point, and is only 31. Tougher call.
I'd like to see Weegar made Captain and then play out his entire contract with the Flames.
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Then start with that rather than Misa and Johnston and you’ll probably get more engagement. There isn’t really much room besides saying it won’t happen when you start with two trades that won’t happen.
I've seen you reply to other people's suggestions and it is almost always as insightful and collaborative as this reply. You don't know what will or will not happen and your opinion is not a fact. Stop pretending it is.

The problem of this conversation being stuck is not the people putting forth suggestions. There are other people who are trying to engage if they could stop getting drowned out by the boo birds of this thread.
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Man you just saved us all six years of angst. I can log back in when the calendar hits 2031 and hope things line-up better for the 31-32 season.

Hopefully I'll be dead by then.
There's always a new narrative to tell to keep fans interested. We sure dont hear a lot about how "this core can't win in the playoffs" these days.

There's also different types of fans. We all say we want to see the team win a Stanley Cup, but realistically most of the fanbase is happy with an entertaining story to watch each season. Where the Flames are i actually think the fans are more interesting these days.
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Old 07-21-2025, 01:07 PM   #5610
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If Calgary/Craig we're willing to give up the assets a lot of you are concerned about him giving up (1st's/top prospects) then we'd be looking at Miller or Byram on the Flames right now.
Fortunately he's not, which is why you don't see them on the roster.

That "should" give you doubters (maybe too strong) so we'll go with concerned fans a bit of hope regarding what he's willing to give up to bring in certain players.
This seems plainly obvious to anyone who follows the Flames.
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Old 07-21-2025, 01:08 PM   #5611
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This seems plainly obvious to anyone who follows the Flames.
Apparently not!
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That's the difference of stepping in and forcing an all out tank, or allowing things to play out on a more natural timeline.

I mean it's not impossible that a puck changes cause off a stick and next thing you know Wolf is out 8 weeks with a broken finger and the Flames have Cooley and Provetsov in net. At which point a low finish becomes very likely.

Backlund to me is the first guy after Andersson where the clock starts ticking, then Coleman and Kadri. Weegar is likely at least 2 years out and probably more.

If things do go South this season all could be moved out within 12 months save Weegar. But as of today only Andersson and Backlund need decisions made by March regarding a trade. So still plentybof time.
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I've seen you reply to other people's suggestions and it is almost always as insightful and collaborative as this reply. You don't know what will or will not happen and your opinion is not a fact. Stop pretending it is.

The problem of this conversation being stuck is not the people putting forth suggestions. There are other people who are trying to engage if they could stop getting drowned out by the boo birds of this thread.
I wasn’t wrong about the second overall and while it is an opinion, I’m pretty confident I won’t be wrong about Johnston. I now think the reasonable baseline for Andersson is a better version of the Hanifin trade. I was hopeful that the 14th overall or 20th and Sillinger was in play for him at the draft but that didn’t play out. Those are interesting conversations imo.
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There's always a new narrative to tell to keep fans interested. We sure dont hear a lot about how "this core can't win in the playoffs" these days.

There's also different types of fans. We all say we want to see the team win a Stanley Cup, but realistically most of the fanbase is happy with an entertaining story to watch each season. Where the Flames are i actually think the fans are more interesting these days.
I think all fans want to see the team win a Stanley Cup. I think most fans derive enjoyment/happiness outside of achieving that one goal. I don’t see that as a “but” as they’re not mutually exclusive, unless you’re one of the fewer (albeit louder) fans that solely derives joy from the pinnacle of success. But it’s such a rare, difficult feat that those fans are ultimately just too hard to please to consider much.
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Old 07-21-2025, 01:32 PM   #5615
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If that is guiding his decisions then I’d be losing faith in him as a GM. Sitting on an asset that he knows won’t re-sign so he doesn’t hurt the feelings of players on a non playoff team would definitely be suboptimal.
I don’t agree. I am sure if Conroy has a price for Andersson that he would move him tomorrow. Who knows maybe he slow plays this thing into Robertson? I think the culture he was able to cultivate with the leadership group he has and full buy in that it makes sense to be delicate with the handling of that group.

I still think Craig is going to move Andersson. I could be way wrong about the optics playing any part but since Craig tried but was unable to improve the roster this offseason will he be a bit slower in how he approaches the Andersson trade? He doesn’t want the culture to fall apart and wants the vets to remain all-in.
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I actually have no problem with the current rebuild, I think it is all about timing and being bad at the right time. With the number of bullets and draft picks in the last couple seasons, they need time to percolate and develop. Who knows what happens this year, but clearly with Andersson on the way out, it isn't a large leap to think CC will be moving other vets.

When there was talk about similar rebuilds, I thought the Flames potentially could be looking at a Chicago style if they could get a high pick in the next couple years. just look at the prospect list and you will see a number of players which should start graduating in a couple years. Chicago had Crawford take the reins around 25. They had a bunch of players in their early 20s come up together. I think their roster when they won the cup in 2010, had 10 players in that 21-25 age range, which Kane and Towes were the youngest.

Wishful thinking, but adding a Mckenna or the next centre up would make things start look very promising and would in some ways be very similar to a Chicago rebuild. Bonus if the Flames can continue to grab additional 1st rounders in the next couple years.
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No way, man.
Yes but is Dallas a much better team with Andersson, Zary, and Coleman over Johnston. Every single day.
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Although the Flames seem reluctant to move off of some veterans that feel both moveable and detrimental to the on-ice aspect of the re-tool (in that they are excellent support players but older and not elite), those guys are good culture builders.

My hope is that the Flames continue to draft the way they have the last couple years and keep going heavy on skill, and when the chance to pick up elite talent presents itself (i.e. Robertson) you make the move if you're able. They still have multiple firsts next year and depending on what happens with Andersson maybe even the year after so keep cooking at the draft table and this semi-awkward "rebuild on the fly" might have a chance.

I am excited to watch guys like Wolf, Parekh, Gridin, Reschny, Bruz, Morin, etc. on the team over the next couple years, and hope for a little luck (I'm looking at you, Cale).

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Yes but is Dallas a much better team with Andersson, Zary, and Coleman over Johnston. Every single day.
I actually don’t think so. They are downgrading the most important position on the ice and leaving themselves with an aging centre core. It’d be a huge bet on Bourque and Zary who are older than Johnston.
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I actually have no problem with the current rebuild, I think it is all about timing and being bad at the right time. With the number of bullets and draft picks in the last couple seasons, they need time to percolate and develop. Who knows what happens this year, but clearly with Andersson on the way out, it isn't a large leap to think CC will be moving other vets.

When there was talk about similar rebuilds, I thought the Flames potentially could be looking at a Chicago style if they could get a high pick in the next couple years. just look at the prospect list and you will see a number of players which should start graduating in a couple years. Chicago had Crawford take the reins around 25. They had a bunch of players in their early 20s come up together. I think their roster when they won the cup in 2010, had 10 players in that 21-25 age range, which Kane and Towes were the youngest.

Wishful thinking, but adding a Mckenna or the next centre up would make things start look very promising and would in some ways be very similar to a Chicago rebuild. Bonus if the Flames can continue to grab additional 1st rounders in the next couple years.
Yeah. The Hawks in 09-10 had a bunch of mid 20s guys they had built up with before landing Toews and Kane (Ladd, Buf, Brouwer, Seabrook, Versteeg). And Keith and Sharp were already 26 and 27 and Campbell was 30. I wonder if, when they traded for Campbell a couple years before, or for Kopecky, or Hossa, or Madden, their fans whined about trading for vets. Or even rtading for a young guys like Ladd or Versteeg.
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