2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[JiriHrdina]

If someone wanted Wideman he would be gone by now. The fact he's got another year left and a NMC makes him virtually unmovable in my opinion

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

If someone wanted Wideman he would be gone by now. The fact he's got another year left and a NMC makes him virtually unmovable in my opinion

If that is the case and he is unmoveable, is he moveable at the draft or are we looking at a buyout scenario?

I find it odd that an offensive defenceman who put up the number of points that he did last season has no value, even taking into account his warts.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Flames had a similar player with Cervenka a few years back. Looked great on videos but too small for the NHL really. Gaudreau is always the exception to the rule. Flames need to pick up big bodies with skills and speed if they're gonna sustain any long term successes.

Does signing this guy prevent Flames from picking up big bodies with skills and speed? Its not like you have to give up picks/prospect/other NHL players to get him.

Panarin looked great in videos too and many said he was too small for the NHL, but I guess Chicago is regretting signing him now.

The point is you need to explore all avenues to improve the club.

[dammage79]

I was just going to bring up Panarin as well. Cervenka would be a great fit now as well I think

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Cervenka was terrible while he was here, though perhaps it was his blood clot issue. Whatever it was, he was utterly forgettable in every way.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

If that is the case and he is unmoveable, is he moveable at the draft or are we looking at a buyout scenario?

I find it odd that an offensive defenceman who put up the number of points that he did last season has no value, even taking into account his warts.

I doubt he gets moved at the draft, nor do I think they buy him out with only one year left. I think they are stuck with him but may be able to move him next year at the deadline.

He has played to his contract perhaps one year in the entire term. There's just far too much risk for teams to take on that contract.

[Badgers Nose]

Wideman will play to his contract next year. Barring injury i think his production will be equal to last year. He will be playing for potentially his last big contract.

Flames will be comfortably in the playoffs and wont trade him.

Thats my prediction.

Other than Russell and Hudler I doubt there will be much demand for flames surplus players.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I doubt he gets moved at the draft, nor do I think they buy him out with only one year left. I think they are stuck with him but may be able to move him next year at the deadline.

He has played to his contract perhaps one year in the entire term. There's just far too much risk for teams to take on that contract.

I hear what you're saying but we could apply the cap space towards a defenceman that fits more in the mold with the club and where we are going.

Buyout is approx 3.5 million spread over 2 years so 1.75 per. That frees up 3.5m to find a replacement if you go that route, or opens the doors for a young d to play.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

If someone wanted Wideman he would be gone by now. The fact he's got another year left and a NMC makes him virtually unmovable in my opinion

I think he's moveable but it's tricky with the NMC and with his salary. Basically I think we'd have to take a bad contract back. Purcell and Gagner went for salary dumps, basically negative value. I think we'd have to take a contract like that back. I think we could theoretically deal Wideman to a team badly in need of a power play shooter who has a bad contract up front that they'd like to get rid of (and who we think still has some value as scoring depth). Does such a team and situation exist right now? I'm not sure. More likely to happen in the offseason anyways because salary is more flexible for most teams after the season ends.

Would they buy him out? I dunno. Buying out Raymond seems like its necessary though.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Other than Russell and Hudler I doubt there will be much demand for flames surplus players.

Depth defensemen go for more than some people think at the deadline and therefore Engelland and Smid will hold some value despite the year remaining on their deals. Smid will get a nice chance to showcase himself with the Wideman suspension. I think you probably have to move one of these guys if you re-sign Russell. And obviously if you don't re-sign Russell then we should be moving him.

I think there could be some interest in Jones as a depth winger. His value wouldn't be high but if they have no interest in re-signing him then I think you probably deal him to get an asset. He's a dependable 3rd line winger with size, speed, physicality and enough of a shot to score the occasional goal. That kind of depth player may be worth a small something to a playoff team or playoff hopeful.

Steinberg seems to think Ramo will hold some value at the deadline too. I'm not sure about that or about moving him but its an interesting idea.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I doubt he gets moved at the draft, nor do I think they buy him out with only one year left. I think they are stuck with him but may be able to move him next year at the deadline.

He has played to his contract perhaps one year in the entire term. There's just far too much risk for teams to take on that contract.

I agree. I think he's here to next years deadline and we will hear some posters claim he should be re-signed to a low risk value contract because he puts up points.

I would argue he has played up to his contract for maybe half a season during the entire length of it. And that's in an environment where the cap has increased considerably.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I doubt he gets moved at the draft, nor do I think they buy him out with only one year left. I think they are stuck with him but may be able to move him next year at the deadline.

He has played to his contract perhaps one year in the entire term. There's just far too much risk for teams to take on that contract.

Can we not retain salary to make him more attractive to potential suitors? Being on the hook for $2.7m would interest a lot of people I'd have thought and its not like we'd be on the hook for long either.

Would that not be a decent option for Brad to take?

[JiriHrdina]

The Flames thus far have not shown a willingness to retain salary. At least as far as I can recall.

[JJ1532]

Don't understand why though. If its a possibility, why not use it? Ok, I get the fact that you are paying a player not to play for you, but doesn't it make any player way more attractive as a trade option? I mean, we could do it for Hudler and Russell and they'd be off the books come the summer. Short term pain sure, but if it nets you a better pick/prospect then why not use it?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Don't understand why though. If its a possibility, why not use it? Ok, I get the fact that you are paying a player not to play for you, but doesn't it make any player way more attractive as a trade option? I mean, we could do it for Hudler and Russell and they'd be off the books come the summer. Short term pain sure, but if it nets you a better pick/prospect then why not use it?

Because certain owners wouldn't see that trading away 5M and retaining 2.5M while icing a player for 1M is a net gain of 1.5M. They see it as losing 2.5M.

[MarkGio]

Cervenka was too slow and out of shape. But he had NHL skill

[t0rrent98]

It is rumored that the Washington #Capitals would like to acquire Vancouver #Canucks Dan Hamhuis before the trade deadline.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Cervenka was too slow and out of shape. But he had NHL skill

wat?

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

wat?

Which part are you saying "wat" to? The slow/out-of-shape or the NHL skill? The latter was certainly true. He had pretty good chemistry with Hudler and had a knack for slipping him passes in heavy traffic.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The Flames thus far have not shown a willingness to retain salary. At least as far as I can recall.

Yeah. I'm not going to predict that the Flames retain salary until they actually do it.