Please, stop derailing threads with "Toronto is the best" stuff. This thread is for 2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors. Let's keep it to current players/situations and not debate stuff from the past. If you want to toot Toronto's horn, start a thread in the off-topic forum about it and share away.
Is there a trade freeze over the allstar break? Are the GM's together at the game? When do you think "the first domino will drop" and by who?
I honestly think the Flames should start shopping guys ASAP if they aren't already. I'd prefer getting something for a guy like Hudler the. Waiting and getting nothing.
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I'd like to trade Wideman, Hudler, Raymond, and Bollig for shutdown dmen, power forwards or picks. We desperately need more young players like Smid, more guys that can play heavy in the corners and control the pace.
Asides from Smid and Bennett we don't have many guys that are happy to go into the corners and control the play with physicality. We get owned in the corners and at the blueline. We don't need stars we need players confident in their ability to gain possession and aid the team in transition.
As it is we have a bunch of two way forwards and two way dmen that can't control the pace and then games all become a Chinese fire drill. We need some moneyball management. Sell all the deadweight for what we need as we are one of the weakest teams in the league physically and in the corners.
We need more of the claustrophobic Anaheim, St. Louis kind of players that can slow the game down or speed it up instead of riding the momentum blindfolded. A prime Regehr would do wonders for this team. If we could trade Wideman for a Smid we'd instantly be way better.
Bollig and Engelland are fairly useless as they don't dictate the pace whatsoever, Engelland panics and gives it away more than he shields the puck with his back like he should, if he would just turn his back on a hit and brick wall someone instead of facing the opposition he could slow the opposition down and kill their momentum. Bollig plays like he's 160 pounds.
The other teams generate momentum on shifts where we lose confidence and start giving it away in our own zone. We need players that can stop that, players that will take the game from 100mph to a deadstop when the opposition is trying to take momentum.
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Is there a trade freeze over the allstar break? Are the GM's together at the game? When do you think "the first domino will drop" and by who?
I honestly think the Flames should start shopping guys ASAP if they aren't already. I'd prefer getting something for a guy like Hudler the. Waiting and getting nothing.
I'm sure that bettman doesn't want anything taking away from his boondoggle so even if there was a deal consummated, we won't hear about it until after the game/tomorrow.
Rental market has to develop. Risk of dealing now is that you undersell the asset. Of course risk of injury is there so you risk losing a ufa for nothing.
Have to imagine the market firms up in the next couple of weeks. Some teams will want to get out in front of the madness so deals should start. Would be nice to see some hockey deals go down in addition to the rentals.
Yes but other players will be one available too. We may get less if we trade guys now but at least we get something and get a chance to see what kind of players jump at the chance to take minutes. The season is lost and 1 in the hand is worth 2 in the bush lol
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Yes but other players will be one available too. We may get less if we trade guys now but at least we get something and get a chance to see what kind of players jump at the chance to take minutes. The season is lost and 1 in the hand is worth 2 in the bush lol
That's the opportunity cost. If someone is offering a third for Russell right now do you take it or hold on for a couple of weeks and see if you can get a second? I'd personally hold as the reports on the upcoming draft is that it's not that deep. So a third this draft might be a fourth in last years draft.
Market will be there for Russell as dmen always have a market. Hudler is a little more concerning given our experience with cammy and the other rental f that are out there. Jones take the first tangible offer you get.
Just over four weeks to go. Enjoy the ride.
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I honestly think the Flames should start shopping guys ASAP if they aren't already. I'd prefer getting something for a guy like Hudler the. Waiting and getting nothing.
Usually you get the most value for players the closer you get to the deadline. It's not always the case but its a good general rule. So suggesting the Flames deal these guys ASAP is not the smartest idea if you want the best value back.
I disagree, if anyone is willing to take Wideman, Hudler Bollig or Raymond we should do it asap. Hartley's been trying to showcase Wideman, and Wideman returned the favor by becoming a useless pylon that targets refs (kidding). The guy tanked his value just about as much as Hudler.
Flames had a similar player with Cervenka a few years back. Looked great on videos but too small for the NHL really. Gaudreau is always the exception to the rule. Flames need to pick up big bodies with skills and speed if they're gonna sustain any long term successes.
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I disagree, if anyone is willing to take Wideman, Hudler Bollig or Raymond we should do it asap. Hartley's been trying to showcase Wideman, and Wideman returned the favor by becoming a useless pylon that targets refs (kidding). The guy tanked his value just about as much as Hudler.
If anyone was willing to take Raymond I think he'd be gone already. Same for Wideman. Who's going to trade for Wideman right now with his upcoming suspension? Hudler's value can only go up if he starts to play better. Bollig's value is meh anyways.
I get that people are impatient but suggesting we move guys ASAP doesn't really make much sense. Most of the guys you mentioned aren't likely to be moved. The other guy you mentioned has his value at a low (Hudler) and it definitely does not make sense to move him ASAP. It makes sense for us to play him til he starts to play better and then move him at the deadline.
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There is a good good chance Widemans suspension is done before the deadline...not sure who it trading for him though...you would have to eat salary fo sho and the PR might not look good
If anyone was willing to take Raymond I think he'd be gone already. Same for Wideman. Who's going to trade for Wideman right now with his upcoming suspension? Hudler's value can only go up if he starts to play better. Bollig's value is meh anyways.
I get that people are impatient but suggesting we move guys ASAP doesn't really make much sense. Most of the guys you mentioned aren't likely to be moved. The other guy you mentioned has his value at a low (Hudler) and it definitely does not make sense to move him ASAP. It makes sense for us to play him til he starts to play better and then move him at the deadline.
I get how you see it that way. Imo there is the possibility of trading these guys. Yeah Widemans value is low, however, on a team with good overall defense and numerous shutdown dmen he might not be so worthless.
Same with Hudler, maybe there's a team with power forwards but no setup guy. One teams trash is anothers treasure, instead of thinking rigidly Treliving should find a way to move these guys instead of holding out for max value, max value almost never happens in a scenario such as ours as we are not dealing from a position of strength.
I'm saying we should be taking lower valued players that serve the roles we are lacking in otherwise we're just going to watch all our UFAs walk. At least we got something for Iginla as opposed to nothing like with Camalleri.
