World Cup South Africa, 2010 Thread

[troutman]

I bring back my Football (soccer) glossary, all rights reserved:

Help me create this glossary of soocer terms translated for North Americans watching soccer for the first time. Can you add to the list?

in touch = out of bounds

pace = fast

red card = game misconduct

insurmountable = 1-0 lead

good ball = nice pass

lacklustre = any game not involving England according to England commentators

blockbuster = any game involving England according to England commentators

strip/kit = uniform

nil = zero, nothing

naive = poor defending

optimistic = shot form outside the penalty area

penalty area = crease

own goal = scoring on your own goal by mistake

tackle = trip/kick in the shins

play-acting = diving

football = soccer

friendly = exhibition game

fixture = scheduled game

derby = local rivalry

away goal rule = arbitrary

aggregate = total combined goals in two game series

leg = one game in a two game series

cross = centering pass

side = team

relegation = demotion to lesser league

striker = sniper

table = standings

pitch = field

penalty/spot-kick = penalty shot

well struck = hard/accurate shot

header = hitting the ball with your head

Premiership = England's highest calibre league

Bundesliga = Germany's highest calibre league

Champions League = Tournament of European league champions and qualifiers

adrift = behind, as in "4 points adrift in the table"

dodgy = tense or questionable (depending on the circumstances)

clean sheet = shut out

cracker = hard shot

Corners or Corner Kick - Any ball kicked out of the baseline of the defending team by the defending team will result in the attacking team kicking the ball from the corner

Free Kick - Any fouls commited outside the Penalty Area will result in a free kick.

Hand Ball - Touch the ball with ur hand up until the shoulder area (Allowed to use shoulders to touch the ball)

Cleats - Shoes

Set Pieces - The play after a dead ball (Corners, free kicks, Spot kicks)

Drop Kick - Face off (I don't actually remember if they do this... but I remember that in some places they do)

Throw In - Throwing the ball into play from the sidelines.

Sliding Tackle - A tackle (see several post above) while u are sliding along the grass

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

I think the Germans want their young guys who have dominated at the u17, u18, u19, u21 levels (Ozil, Muller, Khedira, Marin, Kroos, Boateng) to get experience rather than call up the old guard.



what US speed?

England are the quicker team, Lennon, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Ashley Cole, Glen Johnson all have pace (Lennon and Cole being the quickest players on the field in this game by a large margin)

The US is going to be playing with Donovan and Dempsey on the wings, neither of which are fast, Altidore has some speed but not much and as his time at Hull showed with premier league competition he is useless. And Buddle has a great scoring record the last few months in the MLS, bit of a step up here.

Don't buy the nervous stuff either, over half of the starting XI for England has played in a Champions League final. And unless Milner starts for Barry (who is ruled out for the US game) only 1 of them will be playing in their 1st world cup game (Glen Johnson)

They are the oldest team by average at the world cup, nerves won't be a factor



If they English defense is spotty I shutter to think what the US defense would be described as.

Champions League is hardly a comparision to playing for ENGLAND with about 500000000 journalists there and 1966 hanging over your head.
There is pressure for sure. If England score in the first 20 minutes then it's easy sailing but if it remains 0-0 or heaven forbid USA score first than those demons will return.

US has enough speed to hit on the counter, that'll be their strategy on Saturday.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Champions League is hardly a comparision to playing for ENGLAND with about 500000000 journalists there and 1966 hanging over your head.
There is pressure for sure. If England score in the first 20 minutes then it's easy sailing but if it remains 0-0 or heaven forbid USA score first than those demons will return.

US has enough speed to hit on the counter, that'll be their strategy on Saturday.

For the legacy of my namesake, Bobby Charlton, they must finally win another one.

I've decided I'm going to be "into" this World Cup. At long last.

So. . . . . who's playing besides England?

Cowperson

[valo403]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Champions League is hardly a comparision to playing for ENGLAND with about 500000000 journalists there and 1966 hanging over your head.
There is pressure for sure. If England score in the first 20 minutes then it's easy sailing but if it remains 0-0 or heaven forbid USA score first than those demons will return.

US has enough speed to hit on the counter, that'll be their strategy on Saturday.

You could repeat that first line for every past tournament, tournaments in which the majority of the England side played in. This isn't an inexperienced lot, they've been through that whole ordeal before. Actually there was more scrutiny in 06 with the tournament being in Europe. And a Champions League final is a pretty strong comparison actually, I don't think the pressure of an opening match actually compares to that of a one game do or die match. If you can handle the pressure of the biggest club game in the world you can handle that of an opening round match.

Almost every team in the tournament has enough speed to hit on the counter if players are pulled out of position, that's the nature of top flight football. The US isn't particularly impressive in that regard, but they are capable. They certainly don't have a speed advantage.

ANything can happen in a game, but I expect England to win relatively comfortably. I'll say 2-0.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It's kind of weird but looking at the first 2 days, it could all be draws.

RSA-MEX
URU-FRA
KOR-GRE
ARG-NIG
ENG-USA

Don't see any blowouts there.

I don't follow"Football" that closely, but shouldn't France be a bit of a favorite over Urugauy? We're talking the second largest country in Europe against the city of Montevideo and another million people. Uruguay would face good competition on a regular basis being sandwiched between Brazil and Argentina, but are they that good they can match the French?

[Poison]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I don't follow"Football" that closely, but shouldn't France be a bit of a favorite over Urugauy? We're talking the second largest country in Europe against the city of Montevideo and another million people. Uruguay would face good competition on a regular basis being sandwiched between Brazil and Argentina, but are they that good they can match the French?

French are certainly nowhere near a power like they used to be, they just played a friendly against China and lost, and yes it was VERY close to a full unit, dont have much faith in them.

They shouldnt even be in the world cup, as they got through on a VERY botched call.

They will advance, but IMO itll be in second place behind Mexico.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I don't follow"Football" that closely, but shouldn't France be a bit of a favorite over Urugauy? We're talking the second largest country in Europe against the city of Montevideo and another million people. Uruguay would face good competition on a regular basis being sandwiched between Brazil and Argentina, but are they that good they can match the French?

Uruguay are like the Habs
Won the World Cup twice when there wasn't anyone really in it. Pioneers of the sports and economics and demographics have caught up with them over the years. Not a contender but a pain in the butt to play against.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Poison

Im guessing then youre backing my boys, Slovenia, to go through with England? If so, very good call!

This group is very interesting. 99% England goes to the round of 16 as the first team which means they will play the second team in group D which consits of Germany, Ghana, Australia and my Serbia. I think whoever moves on could give England serious trouble. Germans....to quote Sir Alex, "typical germans", Australia is a team that could really complicate things in group D, however they will most likely finish last. Ghana is a very good team but I can't see them qualifying. My Serbian team, don't want to brag, but has a very good chance to move on. IMO, it's a battle for first between Germany and Serbia, either way a tough match up for England in the round of 16. Serbian defense is: Vidic (man u, arguably one of the best defenders in the world), Ivanovic (chelsea, plays RB and was in the EPL premier leage team of the season), Subotic (Dortmund, but wanted by most big teams in Europe, only 20 yrs and is already one of Europe's hottest prospects), Lukovic, and Kolarov (soon to move to Real Madrid and in my opinion is in the top 5 LB's in the world). Obviously, our strength is the defence which I believe could cope with the best of them. Krasic (also wanted by the European big shots, but most likely going to Juventus if the lastest speculations are true), Jovanovic (Liverpool), Stankovic (Inter), Kacar, Kuzmanovic, Tosic (man utd) are all quality players. Our biggest weakness is the forwards as Zigic and Pantelic are known to miss a lot of sitters. Also, our GK is nothing special. I wouldn't be surprised we topped the group to be honest, which SHOULD give us USA or Slovenia in the next round, which most likely means progress to the quarters.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I don't follow"Football" that closely, but shouldn't France be a bit of a favorite over Urugauy? We're talking the second largest country in Europe against the city of Montevideo and another million people. Uruguay would face good competition on a regular basis being sandwiched between Brazil and Argentina, but are they that good they can match the French?

In terms if individual talent they are a top 2 or 3 team in the world

Ever since Zidane retired they haven't had any chemistry in the team, and they have a terrible coach

Uruguay has a lot of talent, especially up front

[Cactus Jack]

I watch a lot of South American qualifying and Uruguay is very good. They are definitely behind Brazil, Argentina, underrated Paraguay and surgingin Chile in this qualification round but they are solid. If Forlan keeps it up, they'll certainly give a good challenge to Mexico and France. The fact that these 5 teams in SA play each other all the time in qualifying breeds good competition.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

I watch a lot of South American qualifying and Uruguay is very good. They are definitely behind Brazil, Argentina, underrated Paraguay and surgingin Chile in this qualification round but they are solid. If Forlan keeps it up, they'll certainly give a good challenge to Mexico and France. The fact that these 5 teams in SA play each other all the time in qualifying breeds good competition.

Yup and teams like Colombia and Ecuador are no slouches either.

Here's a hypothetical scenario for you guys, instead of CONCACAF having 3.5 spots and South America having 4.5, combine the two and have 8 spots. Would USA and Mexico qualify? Seems CONCACAF gets worse and worse playing nobody.

I think it'd be fun to see Brazil and Argentina possibly come to USA or even Canada for a qualifier.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by troutman

striker = sniper

Don't you mean "striker = forward"? Strikers don't go around shooting people from a distance.

[Finny61]

So if I'm a crazy soccer nut looking to watch almost all the games, does CBC have exclusive rights or something and can I catch the games in the evenings or am I stuck going on justin.tv or something trying to find a replay?

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Finny61

So if I'm a crazy soccer nut looking to watch almost all the games, does CBC have exclusive rights or something and can I catch the games in the evenings or am I stuck going on justin.tv or something trying to find a replay?

CBC Bold (even if you don't think you have it you might, I didn't know I did on Bell until I checked) is showing replays later in the day and at night

full schedule here http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/fifa...broadcast.html

[Finny61]

Looks like I might have to get the channel, noticed I don't have it. Why Bold anyways? What a terrible channel.

[united]

Originally Posted by troutman

How angry will YOU get if USA beats England?

Very angry, that's for sure.

If they both advance from the group stage, and England does well regardless, then looking back it wont be a big deal. No way of knowing that at the time though, so I will drown myself in beer.

[Jagger]

Ok. I'm officially ready.

Got England car flags on my vehicles (all three of them!) Also, picked up a Spain flag for when the inevitable happens!

Got my England jersey and a spare.

Got my world cup Apps. (Anyone know how to watch live games on the iphone? I've got justin.tv, do they have live games anyone know?)

As for Eng-USA. I'm thinking 2-0 England. Probably underwhelming but a positive result nonetheless.

[Jagger]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

For the legacy of my namesake, Bobby Charlton, they must finally win another one.

I've decided I'm going to be "into" this World Cup. At long last.

Cowperson

If you're "into" the WC then England really do have a chance this time around. Stevie (Gerrard) will emerge as the new Bobby.

Originally Posted by Cowperson

So. . . . . who's playing besides England?

Nobody else of note. That Spanish team are pathetic

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Finny61

So if I'm a crazy soccer nut looking to watch almost all the games, does CBC have exclusive rights or something and can I catch the games in the evenings or am I stuck going on justin.tv or something trying to find a replay?

PVR FTW.

Originally Posted by Finny61

Looks like I might have to get the channel, noticed I don't have it. Why Bold anyways? What a terrible channel.

Because Bold is the closest thing there is to CBC2. After the Olympics I'd rather Bell/CTV/Rogers/OLN get major sporting events than CBC, they blew CBC's coverage out of the water.

Actually what I really want is DirectTV. Where's my ESPN 3D, Shaw/CRTC/Canada?

[NBC]

Portugal's Nani out of World Cup

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...10/8728478.stm