2009 NFL Off Season Thread

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Is Cutler's agent feeding him this stuff, or is Cutler as big a prima donna as he is appearing to be?

The former is probably true, but the latter is definitely true. Like I said earlier in this thread Cutler is going to be the next Jeff George. All world skill, but is a selfish prima donna.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Colts-Bills in Toronto next year?

http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=2714...headlines_main

I'm so there!

Have you been to Indy to watch a game before?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So Cutler gets pissed off when he finds out he may of been offered up as trade bait but his coach denies it....stews about it for a couple weeks...and now because he was offered in trade...asks to be traded??

What a tool.






http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805

I get that part of it, I really do. But it's clearly McDaniels inability to make it clear that Cutler is his guy that has caused this entire mess. Seriously, he's an idiot if he thought Cassell at $14M is a better option. You can't get around that.

I'm not a fan of how Cutler has handled it, but he had every right to be upset in the beginning.

McDaniels has come off like a huge egomaniac who can't get away from his past.

He's as big a tool, and maybe bigger IMO.

[burn_baby_burn]

Not to mention the fact that a lot of the fan base are going to point the finger at McDaniels. I posted this before, a caller to Sirius NFL Radio said when this all started that, "Jay Cutler has proven himself as a QB in the NFL, McDaniels has yet to prove himself as an NFL head coach.".

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

Not to mention the fact that a lot of the fan base are going to point the finger at McDaniels. I posted this before, a caller to Sirius NFL Radio said when this all started that, "Jay Cutler has proven himself as a QB in the NFL, McDaniels has yet to prove himself as an NFL head coach.".

And that's completely true.

Having a guy name only 6 superior QB's to you off the top of his head after your third season in the league is pretty darn good if you ask me.

Moon...if he goes to Detroit, it will be the biggest positive move that organization has made since drafting Barry Sanders. Mark my words.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Moon...if he goes to Detroit, it will be the biggest positive move that organization has made since drafting Barry Sanders. Mark my words.

I really hope that doesn't happen. My whole dream draft scenario has the Lions taking Stafford, with the Chiefs taking Curry at the third pick. Assuming the Rams take the OT with the second pick since they cut Orlando Pace.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

And that's completely true.

Having a guy name only 6 superior QB's to you off the top of his head after your third season in the league is pretty darn good if you ask me.

Moon...if he goes to Detroit, it will be the biggest positive move that organization has made since drafting Barry Sanders. Mark my words.

The team is worse than the Denver team from last season that Cutler "led" to a 8-8 record and in a better division. The Lions need to do a real rebuild from the ground up not band-aid solutions with mediocre QB's with a terrible attitude.

The QB they decide to go with is going to have to be a real leader and the face of the franchise.

If Cutler is too big a baby to deal with this how is he going to enjoy going 2-14 this year and 4-12 the next?

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by moon

If Cutler is too big a baby to deal with this how is he going to enjoy going 2-14 this year and 4-12 the next?

As long as the coaching staff and ownership kiss his feet on a regular basis he should be just fine.

[AaronSJ]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

But it's clearly McDaniels inability to make it clear that Cutler is his guy that has caused this entire mess. Seriously, he's an idiot if he thought Cassell at $14M is a better option. You can't get around that.

Dis, do you believe the Peter King report that Cutler asked for a trade weeks ago after Bates departed for USC? Because if that's true, I find it awfully hard to blame McDaniels for entertaining a trade.

The good news is that I think he's generate significant interest between now and the draft and the Broncos should get a decent return here. Would you do Delhomme & Peppers for Cutler? Shaun Rogers & Brady Quinn? Detroit's #20 and #33 picks? With a new regime in place and a new defense coming, this might not end up being as bad as you think...

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by AaronSJ

Dis, do you believe the Peter King report that Cutler asked for a trade weeks ago after Bates departed for USC? Because if that's true, I find it awfully hard to blame McDaniels for entertaining a trade.

The good news is that I think he's generate significant interest between now and the draft and the Broncos should get a decent return here. Would you do Delhomme & Peppers for Cutler? Shaun Rogers & Brady Quinn? Detroit's #20 and #33 picks? With a new regime in place and a new defense coming, this might not end up being as bad as you think...

I believe that's possible. I also believe that would've been a knee jerk reaction and could've easily blown over. Still, and this never gets answered, Matt Cassell @ $14.6M was never a viable alternative to anybody except Mel Kiper and Josh McDaniels.

Scenario #1..No way.
Scenario #2..I'm not a fan of Quinn, but I could see that happening.
Scenario #3..probably the best of the three.

They will still take a huge step back at the most important position on the field so I don't see how it can end up better than I think. They've got the talent on offense to win NOW. They can't afford to wait for a maybe QB or turn into one of the franchises that is perpetually waiting for their franchise QB to come along. They HAD one.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

They can't afford to wait for a maybe QB or turn into one of the franchises that is perpetually waiting for their franchise QB to come along. They HAD one.

Yeah, they don't want to become the Kansas City Chiefs. They havn't been able to find that franchise QB since Len Dawson retired in 1975. Next thing you know that 10 year Super Bowl drought will be 40 years with no end in sight.

[transplant99]

Still, and this never gets answered, Matt Cassell @ $14.6M was never a viable alternative to anybody except Mel Kiper and Josh McDaniels.

But again....McDaniels has to be comfortable with whomever his QB is...and he certainly would of been just that with Cassell. the other thing about the salary is that I would be shocked if there arent negotiations going on right now to extend that deal to 6 years or so that will bring the average down to the 9-10 mil a season mark.

Now you or I may not believe that Cassell is in Cutlers league as far as talent...but it goes beyond that IMO. Coachability is HUGE for a first year head coach and perhaps, as is being evidenced by his actions/words of late, Cutler is not as coachable as Cassell and McDaniels wants to address it now rather than later. Whether he handled it the right way or not is debateable, but I cant blame him for wanting the guy he feels more comfortable with.

All that being said....its really a bad turn of events for the Broncos whose offense was among the best in the business and now may end up being mediocre at best. The defense is where I would be more concerned when it comes to the Broncos and its yet to be seen if McDaniels can get the right guys to turn that around. Could get ugly...really ugly in Denver before it gets better.

Bowlen really has to be wondering what the hell happened.

[Bobblehead]

Cutler's agent was seen in Buffalo.

That'll start the "Cutler to T.O. rumours" flying, although I can't see Denver being interested in Edwards. Or would McDaniels see this as a reclamation and prefer that to an aging veteran or anyone unproven?

[AaronSJ]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

I really hope that doesn't happen. My whole dream draft scenario has the Lions taking Stafford, with the Chiefs taking Curry at the third pick. Assuming the Rams take the OT with the second pick since they cut Orlando Pace.

I have my doubts that Detroit will take Stafford first overall -- it's just such a risky investment to guarantee a junior QB over $30 million... especially when you have so many needs. I think they'll with a much "safer" investment as tackle with Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe, just like the Fins did last year with Jake Long. The Rams will take the next best tackle and Curry should be available at #3... I don't see him going any higher.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by AaronSJ

I have my doubts that Detroit will take Stafford first overall -- it's just such a risky investment to guarantee a junior QB over $30 million... especially when you have so many needs. I think they'll with a much "safer" investment as tackle with Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe, just like the Fins did last year with Jake Long. The Rams will take the next best tackle and Curry should be available at #3... I don't see him going any higher.

I don't think the Lions are going to risk it either. Here is a formula that somebody at ESPN developed to rate if a college QB will be an NFL QB or a bust.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/...rd-debate.html

Stafford is at the Bust portion of the list. A follow up to this piece explained that Stafford's freshman statistics skewed the numbers away from Stafford's favor. Which some readers didn't feel was fair since a QB like Sanchez didn't start as a freshman. If you remove Stafford's freshman year, he falls into the Hit or Miss category.

[Pagal4321]

Detroit and St. Louis will both take tackles, leaving KC to take Curry. After that it's anyone's guess, maybe I should do up another mock draft thread. As this year, really is a crapshoot.

[moon]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

I really hope that doesn't happen. My whole dream draft scenario has the Lions taking Stafford, with the Chiefs taking Curry at the third pick. Assuming the Rams take the OT with the second pick since they cut Orlando Pace.

With Julian Peterson and Ernie Sims at outside linebacker already whether they draft Stafford or not there is almost no chance at all that they take Curry.

with the Rams drafting Chris Long last season I don't see them taking him either.

You should be pretty safe in assuming that Curry will be there at 3 so long as nobody trades up to take him and he doesn't seem that good for teams to do that.

[Pagal4321]

Would anyone be shocked to see Seattle take Stafford or Sanchez?

[mykalberta]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I believe that's possible. I also believe that would've been a knee jerk reaction and could've easily blown over. Still, and this never gets answered, Matt Cassell @ $14.6M was never a viable alternative to anybody except Mel Kiper and Josh McDaniels.

Scenario #1..No way.
Scenario #2..I'm not a fan of Quinn, but I could see that happening.
Scenario #3..probably the best of the three.

They will still take a huge step back at the most important position on the field so I don't see how it can end up better than I think. They've got the talent on offense to win NOW. They can't afford to wait for a maybe QB or turn into one of the franchises that is perpetually waiting for their franchise QB to come along. They HAD one.

Its not Cutler vs Cassell straight up. Right now Cutler wins that every time. Its (It was) Cutler and a 2nd vs Cassell and probably 2 1sts + ... . And Cassell is only signed for 1 year so if he dives like many on this forum think he will, then you cut him and use one of your 1sts to draft a QB next year and also clear cap space.

Obviously you think Cutler could win a Superbowl as a QB with a team in which he is the main figure (not just a piece like QB's in Baltimore, Minn, and a lesser extent Pitt).

He hasnt proved that to me yet so I am more willing to waste a year on a different possibility since this is obviously a transition year for the Broncos and a Superbowl appearance is probably 2-3 years away minimum given the current Teams in the AFC.

[AaronSJ]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Would anyone be shocked to see Seattle take Stafford or Sanchez?

I don't think it's out of the question -- Hasselbeck is near the end of his career, and I think both Stafford & Sanchez would benefit from a year or two on the sidelines (like Rivers & Rodgers did...).

But I also think Seattle really likes Seneca Wallace and just might give him a shot at the starting job after Hasselbeck retires. Wallace actually played really well last season -- 11TD to 3 INT and he won 3 of his 7 starts behind a bad team without decent receivers...

I think Seattle has too many other needs to pick a QB so high... I do think they'd take Josh Freeman with pick #36 if he's available.