[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Psytic]

Stop giving permission to talk to other teams…..how many times do you need to be burned. Let them think they have chance….

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well I don’t think you would say correctly but I definitely would.

How are we measuring this? Over what time period?

There's a pretty good chance if it's the next 8-10yrs as a time period, and the criteria of success is average:

1. Make the playoffs 4-5times
2. Win 2-3 rounds

Feels like young guns 2.0 right now...no stars...CAD dollar down...ownership spending down...missed the playoffs 3yrs straight, but still ignoring the draft.

History doesn't repeat, but it sure rhymes.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I've been so close minded about this.

Calgary owns Vegas 26, unprotected. Any return from Vegas has to overpay to compensate for the loss of value of that pick. The only item of value that Vegas has, is an unprotected 27. Barring that,

Rasmus cannot be moved until the deadline. If you trade him to another team, they will then trade him to Vegas to maximize value, and would not have the shackles of needing a futures return, or worrying about devaluing a pick. He has to go at 11:59 on deadline day.

The issue for Rasmus is that he is the first player in the league to be guaranteed a 6 year UFA contract, because he has talked himself into his own corner.

I don't see any other ways through.

From what I read the CBA extension kicks in Sept 2026, if so he could still get a longer contract.

[Sled]

It is just a rumor it's LVK or bust, right?

Just as likely is CC - "Raz you're going to hear some weird crap on the internet so we can get you to the teams we already know you will sign with to bid and maximize our return, shhhhh!!!"

Even if there is some truth to it, why would Raz's agent leak that. That is a leak by LVK IMO and if so maybe we should file tampering charges.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by edslunch

From what I read the CBA extension kicks in Sept 2026, if so he could still get a longer contract.

It’s been said this offseason is the last year for 8/7.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

He has a NTC that restricts just 6 teams. That's it. It doesn't give him carte blanche to say "I will only negotiate with team X". Otherwise, that would be in his contract.

Secondly, yes, he's a free agent in a year....that's not now. Currently he's under contract and needs to abide by his terms. Of which, he does NOT have license to pick and choose where he lands.

The problem is that Conroy was trying to do right by the player, because he's a player's GM. He asked him where he would sign instead of just trading him wherever. Andersson has taken advantage of the situation to turn his 6 team NTC into a 30 team NTC, and that's not fair play, even if it's not technically wrong.

It's not about a nice guy, Conroy is trying to maximize the return for the player.

The best return is likely from a team that he is willing to sign an extension with, but that's only if Conroy can play multiple teams off of each other. If Andersson says he will only consider signing an extension with Vegas, then they get an edge in negotiation. They would still have to beat what any other team would give up to acquire him as a pure rental, but it won't need to be as good as if they were bidding against other teams he would sign with.


It's like the Stone trade. Ottawa wanted a huge return from the Flames and Treliving wouldn't do it unless he was able to talk to Stone and get an assurance that he'd be willing to sign a long-term deal. When Ottawa wouldn't allow that, Treliving backed out. In the end, Vegas didn't pay anywhere close to what Ottawa was asking for from the Flames.

[Sled]

Another thought:

LVK is offering something ok but not great and CC is telling them no we did this before.

This is a sign and trade and you know it not a short term, get that offer way up or we send him somewhere else at the deadline. Maybe he wins a cup there and you never get him.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Okay, just to be clear here.

He has a NTC that restricts just 6 teams. That's it. It doesn't give him carte blanche to say "I will only negotiate with team X". Otherwise, that would be in his contract.

Secondly, yes, he's a free agent in a year....that's not now. Currently he's under contract and needs to abide by his terms. Of which, he does NOT have license to pick and choose where he lands.

The problem is that Conroy was trying to do right by the player, because he's a player's GM. He asked him where he would sign instead of just trading him wherever. Andersson has taken advantage of the situation to turn his 6 team NTC into a 30 team NTC, and that's not fair play, even if it's not technically wrong.

He wants to go to a contender by all reports. Fine. L.A. is in the playoffs every year, and perhaps the presence of Andersson would push them over the top and they could make a run.

Does he listen to an offer to sign in L.A. also a pretty cool place to live? No, not even considering it.

That says to me that Andersson doesn't think he has it in him to turn a team into a champion. He wants to be a passenger and get a ride on a team already built to win.

Well #### that and #### him. I'm sick to death of these players that talk about winning but don't want to work for it. He certainly didn't do much for the Flames when they were in the playoffs.

I'm trying to remain unemotional about this, but frankly, this rubs me the wrong way, especially after how much love this city and team have given to Rasmus.

You can say that players don't owe it to teams to do the right thing, but it will come back to bit them. Guess what will happen in the next CBA negotiation? A new rule that dictates something around zero contract extensions if a player is traded in the final year of a contract. The player has to go all the way to UFA status before he can re-sign with a team.

I should be a lawyer.

Yeah the first half of your argument is just wrong. Conroy looking to maximize the trade value of the asset, not do right by him. These teams looking to trade for Rasmus are asking to negotiate an extension, otherwise they won’t pay Conroy’s asking price.

Hate on the player if you want because he seems to be very close minded about his destinations. That is just hurting his own leverage in negotiating an extension though too, remember that.

[Niemo]

Does Tampa need a RHD to play with Hedman?

Ras for Isaac Howard (if he signs) + 1st 2028

Or

Ras + Grushnikov back to Dallas for Lian Bischel + 1st 2027 + 2nd 2026

Those seem like spots that have a chance of convincing him to resign. Dallas really didn't like losing Grushnikov apparently anyway.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Okay, just to be clear here.

He has a NTC that restricts just 6 teams. That's it. It doesn't give him carte blanche to say "I will only negotiate with team X". Otherwise, that would be in his contract.

Secondly, yes, he's a free agent in a year....that's not now. Currently he's under contract and needs to abide by his terms. Of which, he does NOT have license to pick and choose where he lands.

The problem is that Conroy was trying to do right by the player, because he's a player's GM. He asked him where he would sign instead of just trading him wherever. Andersson has taken advantage of the situation to turn his 6 team NTC into a 30 team NTC, and that's not fair play, even if it's not technically wrong.

He wants to go to a contender by all reports. Fine. L.A. is in the playoffs every year, and perhaps the presence of Andersson would push them over the top and they could make a run.

Does he listen to an offer to sign in L.A. also a pretty cool place to live? No, not even considering it.

That says to me that Andersson doesn't think he has it in him to turn a team into a champion. He wants to be a passenger and get a ride on a team already built to win.

Well #### that and #### him. I'm sick to death of these players that talk about winning but don't want to work for it. He certainly didn't do much for the Flames when they were in the playoffs.

I'm trying to remain unemotional about this, but frankly, this rubs me the wrong way, especially after how much love this city and team have given to Rasmus.

You can say that players don't owe it to teams to do the right thing, but it will come back to bit them. Guess what will happen in the next CBA negotiation? A new rule that dictates something around zero contract extensions if a player is traded in the final year of a contract. The player has to go all the way to UFA status before he can re-sign with a team.

I should be a lawyer.

You are taking some massive leaps there. There are all sorts of reasons why he may not want to live in LA for the better part of the next decade. That doesn't mean he wants to be a passenger. Come on.

And if you are thinking players are going to have LESS control going forward, including via CBA negotiations, I think you are way off. They will have more and more control. That's the trend in sports.

[iloveicedhockey]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Stop giving permission to talk to other teams…..how many times do you need to be burned. Let them think they have chance….

I don't believe this is a viable solution. His agent isn't working within the rules and will leave no trace.

[Ashasx]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1939903880936268029

If somebody could please put together a City of St. Louis overview package so that we can send it to Rasmus, that would be great.

Good things only please.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

How are we measuring this? Over what time period?

There's a pretty good chance if it's the next 8-10yrs as a time period, and the criteria of success is average:

1. Make the playoffs 4-5times
2. Win 2-3 rounds

Feels like young guns 2.0 right now...no stars...CAD dollar down...ownership spending down...missed the playoffs 3yrs straight, but still ignoring the draft.

History doesn't repeat, but it sure rhymes.

The Flames never had more than one first round pick in the entire young guns era so the ignoring the draft is definitely wildly off base given that the Flames will have 2 first round picks (or more) in 3 consecutive drafts.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Does Tampa need a RHD to play with Hedman?

Ras for Isaac Howard (if he signs) + 1st 2028

Or

Ras + Grushnikov back to Dallas for Lian Bischel + 1st 2027 + 2nd 2026

Those seem like spots that have a chance of convincing him to resign. Dallas really didn't like losing Grushnikov apparently anyway.

Tampa is my dark horse here if they decide to get involved.

They have Hedman, McDonagh, and Moser as LD

But only Raddysh and Cernak at RD

Hedman - Andersson
McDonagh - Cernak
Moser - Raddysh

That becomes a pretty formidable d-core.

Big issue is no 1st until 2028 though.

[Johnny Makarov]

Eff Andersson and Hanifin. Put them together and we'll get a top 10 pick in the 2026 draft from them.

2022 playoffs. Never forget. Never forgiven.

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1939903880936268029

If somebody could please put together a City of St. Louis overview package so that we can send it to Rasmus, that would be great.

Good things only please.

Something around Dvorsky + 2026 protected 1st would be lovely. That's assuming he'd sign there, of course.

They have Leddy and Fowler coming off the books next year, and Krug likely to never play again.

Could make sense for both sides, if Ras is willing...

[LokiMotion]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1939903880936268029

If somebody could please put together a City of St. Louis overview package so that we can send it to Rasmus, that would be great.

Good things only please.

If he said no to LA who is an actual contender (given better coaching), I don't see how he says yes to the blues.

But if he does, who could they possibly trade? I doubt Kyrou or Thomas are part of a return. And tbh i have no idea of their prospects

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

Something around Dvorsky + 2026 protected 1st would be lovely. That's assuming he'd sign there, of course.

They have Leddy and Fowler coming off the books next year, and Krug likely to never play again.

Could make sense for both sides, if Ras is willing...

Dvorsky was a top 10 pick 2 years ago I can’t see him being on the block for Ras

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Tampa is my dark horse here if they decide to get involved.

They have Hedman, McDonagh, and Moser as LD

But only Raddysh and Cernak at RD

Hedman - Andersson
McDonagh - Cernak
Moser - Raddysh

That becomes a pretty formidable d-core.

Big issue is no 1st until 2028 though.

Yup, I believe they were second in on Hanifin, and Andersson is the better player. He would fit in great there, perfect fit, other than them having absolutely no assets to trade?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by LokiMotion

If he said no to LA who is an actual contender (given better coaching), I don't see how he says yes to the blues.

But if he does, who could they possibly trade? I doubt Kyrou or Thomas are part of a return. And tbh i have no idea of their prospects

I don't know, there has been a lot of smoke around Kyrou being on the trade block this offseason.