[Trade] Markstrom (31.25% retained) traded to NJ for 2025 1st (top 10 protected) and Bahl

[Johnny Makarov]

also.....

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think it's on the reader to accept some blame if they're skimming a fan forum and assigning the top 5% most optimistic opinions as some sort of CP collective view or a given.

I know I've never logged in since February saw Mercer and a 1st and just assumed that was 100% the way this was going, and that I was building my case to be enraged if it wasn't.

I can't remember Mercer + 1st ever really being seriously discussed as a return...

Most of the discussion was Holtz + 1st compared to Mercer...maybe something like Casey being added depending on what was going the other way.

The only time I remember 1st + Mercer being discussed was when people had mentioned that New Jersey could be interested in Markstrom + Hanifin...which if you wanted both of them that probably would have been close.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1803471316449894664

Our scouting just does not look impressive. Going back to Honzek...it's all just, bleh.

Has anyone seen a comparison of his model's success rate? I don't follow the guy or know much about him but I'm always curious about his data models and if they amount to much of anything. If he was consistently correct, he would probably be on a pro staff by now I would think.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Sharangovich and Miromanov off to good starts no?

https://x.com/byronmbader/status/167...104087040?s=12

He hated the Sharangovich trade too.

[Suave]

I think the Flames did well with the trade. The #10 pick would have been a homerun, but looking at past trades they got excellent value for a aging netminder. First have generally only been traded for young goalies, not veterans. Kuemper trade should be the closest comparable, he was 21 at the time, there was retention, but only one year left on his contract.

Season Goalie ------- Return
21-22 Darcy Kuemper ------- Connor Timmins, 1st-2022 (#32), 3rd-2024
16-17 Frederik Andersen ------- 1st-2016 (#30 OVR), 2nd-2017
15-16 Martin Jones -------- 1st-2016 (#29 OVR), Sean Kuraly
15-16 Robin Lehner+ ------- 1st-2015 (#21 OVR)
13-14 Cory Schneider ------- 1st-2013 (#9 OVR)
11-12 Semyon Varlamov ------- 1st-2012 (#11 OVR), 2nd-2012

[Toast_Man]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Grew up in Mississauga FWIW

West of Quebec, still counts!

[Toonage]

I'm honestly surprised Allen didn't come back in the deal but I guess NJD wants the vet for a backup.

Also if our 3rd pairing is Bahl-Pachal that's fun to say!

[FBI]

Can we get a flow chart for the trade with panthers and Montreal conditions? That would help me understand it way better.

[SuperMatt18]

Looking at the big picture of things:

Markstrom
Hanifin
Lindholm
Tanev
Toffoli
Zadorov

for

2024 1st Round Pick (VAN - 28)
2025 1st Round Pick (Top 10 Protected - NJD)
2026 1st Round Pick (Unprotected - VGK)
2024 2nd Round Pick (DAL - 62)
2023 3rd Round Pick (NJD - 80 - Suniev)
2024 3rd Round Pick (VGK - 84)
2026 3rd Round Pick (VAN)
2024 4th Round Pick (NJD - 107)
2024 5th Round Pick (CHI - 131)
Sharangovich
Kuzmenko
Miromanov
Bahl
Brzustewicz
Grushnikov
Jurmo

All up that's a pretty tidy first year of work from Craig Conroy.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Icon

No.

If Florida's 2025 1st isn't a lottery pick, Calgary gets Florida's 2025 1st round pick.
If that happens:
- If Calgary's 2025 pick isn't top 10, Montreal gets the better of Calgary & Florida's 2025 1st round picks.
- If Calgary's 2025 pick is top 10, Montreal gets Florida's 2025 1st round pick.

If Florida's 2025 1st is a lottery pick, Calgary gets Florida's 2026 1st instead.
If that happens:
- If Calgary's 2025 pick is not top 10, Montreal gets Calgary's 2025 1st round pick.
- If Calgary's 2025 pick is 2nd-10th, Montreal gets Calgary's 2025 1st round pick.
- If Calgary's 2025 pick is 1st overall, Montreal gets Calgary's 2025 3rd and the better of the the 2026 1st between Calgary & Florida

I don't get why so many people are concerned about the Flames losing their pick. The BOLDED is the most likely option.

Florida is in the Cup final, their 2025 pick will most likely not be a lottery pick.
The Flames are looking like a team headed for a top 10 pick.
Seems like it's pretty likly that the Habs get the Panthers 2025 first.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Looking at the big picture of things:

Markstrom
Hanifin
Lindholm
Tanev
Toffoli
Zadorov

for

2024 1st Round Pick (VAN - 28)
2025 1st Round Pick (Top 10 Protected - NJD)
2026 1st Round Pick (Unprotected - VGK)
2024 2nd Round Pick (DAL - 62)
2023 3rd Round Pick (NJD - 80 - Suniev)
2024 3rd Round Pick (VGK - 84)
2026 3rd Round Pick (VAN)
2024 4th Round Pick (NJD - 107)
2024 5th Round Pick (CHI - 131)
Sharangovich
Kuzmenko
Miromanov
Bahl
Brzustewicz
Grushnikov
Jurmo

All up that's a pretty tidy first year of work from Craig Conroy.

We'll see how it all shakes out in the end, but looks like a much kick off to a rebuild/retool than what occurred under Feaster.

Hanowski, Agostino, Cundari, Berra and a couple late firsts? haha

Although Connie has/had more assets to work with.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

I don't get why so many people are concerned about the Flames losing their pick. The BOLDED is the most likely option.

Florida is in the Cup final, they're 2025 pick will most likely not be a lottery pick.
The Flames are looking like a team headed for a top 10 pick.
Seems like it's pretty likly that the Habs get the Panthers 2025 first.

Yep.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

How many d men do Calgary now have for next year? Seems like a lot . Not to mention prospects that could be fighting for a spot

Why does a rebuilding team acquire a lot of picks? Because they don't all work out, so the more chances the better.

Conroy is taking the same strategy with defensemen - acquire as many as possible, and see who develops.

Kylington (26)
Mironanov (26)
Pachal (24)
Bahl (23)
Okhotiuk (23)
Solovyov (23)
Kuznetzov (22)
Jurmo (22)
Grushnikov (21)
Morin (19)
Brzustewicz (19)
Hurtig (19)

If the Flames get 3 good players out of that group, they will have done very well.

Conroy is doing EXACTLY what he should be doing.

[dammage79]

I think this gives Conroy a shot at getting his under 23 year old center. He's got the pieces to do it now.

[BigThief]

Conroy loves his mediocre blue liners

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Has anyone seen a comparison of his model's success rate? I don't follow the guy or know much about him but I'm always curious about his data models and if they amount to much of anything. If he was consistently correct, he would probably be on a pro staff by now I would think.

I believe he was on a pro staff... IIRC he was on the Flames pro staff. I vaguely recall him being on a podcast talking about the draft and saying that he asked Chris Snow if he should do a full workup on a guy for the draft and Snowy told him no because he wasn't going to be available. Or words to that effect.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Conroy loves his mediocre blue liners

You can never have enough depth. All depth all the time. Maybe we’re going for the Nashville no stars model.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

You can never have enough depth. All depth all the time. Maybe we’re going for the Nashville no stars model.

....Roman Josi says...hi.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We could have had our #1C PLD traded for Kuemper.

[Monahammer]

JFresh > Bader Imo.