[Rumour] NJD willing to trade for Markstrom in offseason if deal not reached before deadline

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So they should just trade him because they have done great job and managing their team and accumulating depth?

More so that it's a surplus asset to address an area of need. That's the whole point of the "BPA" philosophy in drafting. You pick the best player available, sort out the roster imbalances through trades later.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

LeBrun said the goalie market will be larger in the offseason.

Vanacek is a good tandem goalie having a bad season like Markstrom had last year.

Although, the same could be said for any position. The market is more open in the offseason for any position.

One thing that might elevate Markstrom’s value is this years G UFA crop is pretty weak.

[dammage79]

If the Flames are so bent on Mercer, add from their end.

Otherwise, in my humblest opinion, get the best assets on the table and profit from another good FA signing.

Especially if there's no retention for the next 2 seasons.

If that's Holtz and a 1st, so be it.

That's as clean a slate as you could get for a retool. A massive chunk of cap freed, a young sniper on the right side and a pick.

It's kind of bewildering why this hasn't happened yet. The benefits for both sides are so heavy.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If the Flames are so bent on Mercer, add from their end.

Otherwise, in my humblest opinion, get the best assets on the table and profit from another good FA signing.

Especially if there's no retention for the next 2 seasons.

If that's Holtz and a 1st, so be it.

That's as clean a slate as you could get for a retool. A massive chunk of cap freed, a young sniper on the right side and a pick.

It's kind of bewildering why this hasn't happened yet. The benefits for both sides are so heavy.

This is exactly how I feel. I think if it was going to happen, it would have already (and it's a huge miss on both sides).

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If the Flames are so bent on Mercer, add from their end.

If the devils really don’t want to trade Mercer, there is nothing realistic that Calgary to add to change their minds.

That’s not how trades work.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If the devils really don’t want to trade Mercer, there is nothing realistic that Calgary to add to change their minds.

That’s not how trades work.

That's exactly how trades work. As of right now the only thing we all sort of know is that the Devils don't want to give up Mercer for Markstrom (Or Saros) Alone.

That could change if a package of Markstrom and Hanifin happened.

[devo22]

if anything, Vanecek would be a worthy successor to Hanifin when it comes to spelling.

[Muta]

To be honest, Markstrom for Holtz straight up is pretty damn good given each of their respective ages and what they will bring to their teams; Mercer instead of Holtz would just be the extra icing on the cake.

This time last year, doubt we would even be able to have any of these three names in the same conversation as main pieces in a trade for each other. Some here would have likely given Markstrom away for a single pick.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by devo22

if anything, Vanecek would be a worthy successor to Hanifin when it comes to spelling.

Vanecek would turn into Vanacek real quick.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by saillias

More so that it's a surplus asset to address an area of need. That's the whole point of the "BPA" philosophy in drafting. You pick the best player available, sort out the roster imbalances through trades later.

Yeah but teams don’t usually give it away for 35 year old goalies.

Saying he’s being greedy because we don’t have what they do is strange.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Darcy Kuemper in 2022 returned Connor Timmins, a 2022 first and a 2024 3rd.
A little further back in 2016 you have Martin Jones fetching a 2016 first and Sean Kuraly.

While neither of those 2 prospects are anywhere near as good as Mercer projects, Markstrom is a considerably better goalie than the comparables. This also goes along with first round picks and the additional 3rd rounder in the Kuemper trade.

Do you think NJ would trade Mercer right now for a [presumed] late 1st and Timmins level prospect (and a 3rd that was conditional on the Avs winning the cup which they did)?

Kuemper was only 1 year term, but retention brought it down to 3.5M AAV.


The Jones trade(s) are interesting - BOS turned the last year of Lucic into:

13OA (Zboril)
Colin Miller (eventual VGK expansion pick)
Martin Jones traded a few days later into --> Kuraly (played 4 full seasons for them) and that 1st (Trent Frederic)

But Jones was an RFA goalie so not a great comp.

[bucksmasher]

Quit trying to save money. If you have to buy picks or players with salary retention you do it. Yes I'll spend your money, the income here is good, the attraction is not. Buy us a team Craig......

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

That's exactly how trades work. As of right now the only thing we all sort of know is that the Devils don't want to give up Mercer for Markstrom (Or Saros) Alone.

That could change if a package of Markstrom and Hanifin happened.

Hanifin is a different animal.

I assume you were talking about kicking in a 3rd round pick.

Of course, it is extremely unlikely they get traded together. It would appear that different teams are interested in them.

Plus I said nothing realistic. Hanifin falls under the definition of not a realistic add. Are you suggesting Marky and Hanifin for Mercer?

[Redrum]

Both of them together would take a massive amount of futures that I doubt one team would want to give up.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Vanacheck

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Vanacheck

[Parallex]

I don't really get why Mercer is apparently a hard no... he's going to be more expensive the Holtz next year, and given their depth at C he's a winger (for them). To me it makes more sense for them to move Mercer then Holtz.

Regardless... if they aren't insisting on retention I'd be willing to do Holtz instead of Mercer. It doesn't make sense for either end of the deal IMO but I'd do it.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Vanacheck

Did you check your spelling?

[Aarongavey]

The other thing the Flames could do is do the trade with no retention and then just offer Mercer a one year deal at 4.4 million bucks. It would cost a 2nd round pick in compensation but the Devils with no retention on Markstrom would have 14 million to sign 9 players. Allocating 4.4 million to one player would really squeeze them.

[wired]

Originally Posted by Muta

To be honest, Markstrom for Holtz straight up is pretty damn good given each of their respective ages and what they will bring to their teams; Mercer instead of Holtz would just be the extra icing on the cake.

This time last year, doubt we would even be able to have any of these three names in the same conversation as main pieces in a trade for each other. Some here would have likely given Markstrom away for a single pick.

Who's to say Markstrom does not revert back to the goalie he was last year?

He seems to play one year very good, followed by a sub par year.