[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Sec214

How about the size and speed?

How about PK/PP Time?

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

One guy averaged 37 second a game on the PP and 1:28 on the PK

Other guy got 5 seconds a game on the PP and 2 minutes a game on the PK.

And the Mcdavid + Drai time? I think one guy is at zero minutes lol

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I like to gauge these trades based on opposite fans reaction.
Most seem to be pissed they traded for Toffoli, so I think we may have won long term.

There has been a few like that.
I am happy with this I think the cap space opens up some more options.

[Flames1217]

After Watching some of his tape I almost feel like Shaggy is going to gel really well with Rosey.

Don't know why but I feel like thier styles of play should benefit each other's.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

There has been a few like that.
I am happy with this I think the cap space opens up some more options.

3 trades like this gets you younger, a number of picks and cap space to sign a decent middle 20’s aged player.

I’m guessing Hanifin and Lindholm will pull in much more than Toffoli. Toffoli is on the tail end of his career.

[TheScorpion]

Just for some additional perspective:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1673861189779214336

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Is he fast, really need to add to team speed

In a few articles I saw his skating mentioned as improved, and above average. Also, Ruff mentioning he was getting more ice time because he was skating better which probably is referring more to effort than speed.

So I would guess he's not stand out fast, but decent there.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Sharangovich put up 0.51PPG while buried in NJ.

Yamamoto has faceplanted while getting McDrai time.

That's a laughable comparison.

Then again, never expect an Oiler fan to know #### all about a player on a team that the Oilers don't play frequently.

Flames season ticket holder from 97-15 when I had to give them up when I moved from Calgary, but sure am Oilers fan. Traded a guy who has averaged around 70 points over 82 games in two of the last 3 seasons for the package we got, a 30-40 point guy and a 3rd round pick. Pick some other 30 point winger who is 25 for all I care. It is hard to find 30 point forwards at the age of 25 who have been in the league for 3 or more years.

Christian Fischer
Blake Lizotte
Morgan Geekie

That is his vintage last year, those are the guys around his age that produced around 30 points last year. Hopefully he is on the verge of a breakout. He also did not put up 0.51 PPG being buried, he did not come anywhere close to that number last year. He put up those numbers riding shotgun with Jack Hughes for two of the three seasons. Hopefully we have a Jack Hughes to play with him.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Sharangovich put up 0.51PPG while buried in NJ.

Yamamoto has faceplanted while getting McDrai time.

That's a laughable comparison.

Then again, never expect an Oiler fan to know #### all about a player on a team that the Oilers don't play frequently.

You’d think they’d remember players scoring against them late in the 3rd that causes them to lose after leading late.



Mind you, they were probably on their phones waiting for the next PP to get back to watching the game.

[TheScorpion]

As someone who watches a lot of Coyotes games, comparing Sharangovich to Fischer is just laughable. Completely different skill sets.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Nm

[agulati]

I’m not the biggest fan of the deal, but that is mainly because I wanted the Flames to either pick up a higher ceiling prospect or a 1st round pick in the trade.

Sharangovich still has promise though and is only 25 years old. He had a down year last year, but he should be able to bounce back with more opportunities in Calgary.

Toffoli had a career year last year, but everyone in the league knows that too. Everyone knows what his career has looked like at this point and also that a career year at the age of 32 can be an outlier.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Toss out the year two years ago when Toffoli was on pace for 44 goals 69 points. The guy is merely a 45-50 point guy if you toss out two of the last three years and heavily weigh the years from 7 years ago.

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Flames season ticket holder from 97-15 when I had to give them up when I moved from Calgary, but sure am Oilers fan. Traded a guy who has averaged around 70 points over 82 games in two of the last 3 seasons for the package we got, a 30-40 point guy and a 3rd round pick. Pick some other 30 point winger who is 25 for all I care. It is hard to find 30 point forwards at the age of 25 who have been in the league for 3 or more years.

Now I'm confused. Do we toss out those two years or does that define Toffoli?

[Reggie Dunlop]

A Belorussian Joe Colborne.

[bluejays]

Well it looks like Sharangovich scores 90% of his goals off a quick release in the slot. I'm genuinely curious how they use him because NJ was a team who cycled fast. Sharangovich seems to be an average skater but really benefits from that crazy quick passing NJ does, equaled by his fast release. As it stands the Flames have to emulate some of that to make use of that release. I really hope Lindholm can be cashed in high though. I think getting around the 12th overall is fair value for him but we'll see.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Like I said, heavy Nigel Dawes/Blake Comeau vibes with this guy. He’s young but not that young. And he had that one season a couple of years ago but the rest of his history is unremarkable.

Plug him into the top 6 on a weak team and he puts up 30-40 points I’m sure, but ultimately we’ve seen plenty of these types of players come in for a year or two, hang around for a little while when they’re done in some place like Arizona or Columbus, and then disappear to the KHL.

Maybe I’m wrong and he totally blows everyone away, but I’m gonna take the under on that one. He’s a guy who fills your roster and that’s about it. Not someone you have to pretend you’re thrilled to get back for your leading scorer.

In what universe does this guy have anything in common with Dawes or Comeau? Neither of them had career projections, goal or point totals anywhere close to Sharang.

It’s complete and utter nonsense to compare them.

[Nelson]

I’m not upset about the Sharangovich part of this trade. He seems serviceable. I’m upset because I see this as a sign of the organization’s plan. Text Critic is right. No press conference said the Flames were rebuilding, but I still thought the Flames might properly build something by acquiring a bunch of high draft picks for once.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

A Belorussian Joe Colborne.

Nope. Don't like that.

[liamenator]

I like this trade.Toffoli got sad that he wasn't the #1 boy and put GMCC in a tough spot.

He's coming off a career year but those stats are decieving. The league knows what he is. A solid second liner on an expiring contract. And the kind of player for whom the end will come quickly.

A good young player with upside and a 3rd in a deep draft year is about right.

[Locke]

So...Treliving put another impending UFA on Radio-Silence and in that uncertainty he decided to walk.

I think we need to take a long hard look at the legacy of how Treliving treated the players.

The stink around that guy grows more and more pungent as the days go by.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Now I'm confused. Do we toss out those two years or does that define Toffoli?

Most people would look at what a player has done over the past 3-4 seasons and say that is what he is currently averaging. Do that with Toffoli and you don’t get a 45-50 point guy.

Average over the past 3 seasons prorated to 82 games - 33 goals 32 assists for 65 points

Over the past 4 seasons - 32 goals and 31 assists for 63 points.

Flames traded a guy who makes 4.5 million and can be expected to score around 30 goals and get around 60 points for the package they got. He definitely is not nor has he been for a while a 40-50 point guy.