Brad Treliving needs to go

[Strange Brew]

I don't believe the Treliving/Sutter comparison is that difficult.

If he is gone tomorrow, BT will have left the team in better shape than Sutter. However, he was not able to accomplish what Sutter did in his tenure. So depends how much you weight you place on those two things. Sutter gets my vote personally.

There's also the style issue. The two men have very different styles and approaches and that understandably weighs into the evaluation for some people.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don't believe the Treliving/Sutter comparison is that difficult.

If he is gone tomorrow, BT will have left the team in better shape than Sutter. However, he was not able to accomplish what Sutter did in his tenure. So depends how much you weight you place on those two things. Sutter gets my vote personally.

There's also the style issue. The two men have very different styles and approaches and that understandably weighs into the evaluation for some people.

I still believe Sutter is the key to saving Treliving this year. I see some similarities between the Flames and Kings team that Sutter came in and saved. Flames are a talented team that is GROSSLY underachieving right now. They have a solid goalie and have some solid skaters throughout their lineup. The Kings were pure trash before Sutter arrived and helped them get a swagger that put them on an 3 year run of Cup-WCF-Cup.

With the time ticking on this core they need to reach out to Sutter and let him come back to try and finish the job he worked to accomplish in his last time here.

His worst coaching move as GM was stepping away from the bench himself.

[Red]

Sutter's LA team and the Flames are nothing alike. I am sorry, not sure where you get that from Vinny.

LA was a very large and heavy team. Flames are a bunch of creampuffs in comparison.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Red

Sutter's LA team and the Flames are nothing alike. I am sorry, not sure where you get that from Vinny.

LA was a very large and heavy team. Flames are a bunch of creampuffs in comparison.

More so I am speaking to a talented team that is underachieving. I think the Flames have the personnel to play a heavier game. It also doesn’t have to be a heavy game but the key is Sutter can put together a structure that seems to be lacking for the current team.

He is also a tougher coach which has been proven to be the only type of bench boss to get anything out of this group.

[Flamesfan05]

Yes, he needs to go yesterday

This is his vision, defense first, and it failed badly

I don’t see a quick fix

New strategy is needed

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Some fun facts from this season from hell:

Flames are 28th in goals scored per game (2.43). The Oilers are first at 3.59 and 4 of the top 6 teams in league are from the North Division. So, there is an argument that the Flames are actually the worst offensive team in the entire league.

The Flames are 21st in goals against per game (ie, they are in the bottom third of the league in terms of defensive success.)

Interestingly the Flames are only 18th in team save percentage. Suggests that perhaps the goaltending hasn't been as great as many presume.

Anyway, the statistics bear one thing out: this team is okay at goaltending, bad at defence, and absolutely terrible at offence.

Well done, Mr. Treliving.

It's mind boggling that a team with four 25 goal scorers in their top 6 (three that have eclipsed 30 goals) can be one of the worst offensive teams in the NHL.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Some fun facts from this season from hell:

Flames are 28th in goals scored per game (2.43). The Oilers are first at 3.59 and 4 of the top 6 teams in league are from the North Division. So, there is an argument that the Flames are actually the worst offensive team in the entire league.

The Flames are 21st in goals against per game (ie, they are in the bottom third of the league in terms of defensive success.)

Interestingly the Flames are only 18th in team save percentage. Suggests that perhaps the goaltending hasn't been as great as many presume.

Anyway, the statistics bear one thing out: this team is okay at goaltending, bad at defence, and absolutely terrible at offence.

Well done, Mr. Treliving.

It's all part of the process.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

The problem with the Gio contract was squandering the good years and we're stuck paying off the bad years with nothing to show for it.


Every time I think back to that trade deadline I vibrate with fury. The team had everything going right for that year and needed to push their chips in because they should have known that Father Time would come for the captain eventually.

Which one?


The one where we got Lazar and MikeStone?
Or the one where we got Fantenberg?
Or the one where we got Forbort and Gustaffsson?

(I know you're talking about not getting MarkStone, lol)

[Burning Beard]

The fact that Bradley hasn't canned Ward yet tells me he needs to be shown the door at the same time. Enough of this BS. Embarrassing for the franchise.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

The fact that Bradley hasn't canned Ward yet tells me he needs to be shown the door at the same time. Enough of this BS. Embarrassing for the franchise.

Bradley!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I still believe Sutter is the key to saving Treliving this year. I see some similarities between the Flames and Kings team that Sutter came in and saved. Flames are a talented team that is GROSSLY underachieving right now. They have a solid goalie and have some solid skaters throughout their lineup. The Kings were pure trash before Sutter arrived and helped them get a swagger that put them on an 3 year run of Cup-WCF-Cup.

With the time ticking on this core they need to reach out to Sutter and let him come back to try and finish the job he worked to accomplish in his last time here.

His worst coaching move as GM was stepping away from the bench himself.

The one thing Sutter will definitely do is give you a sense of which players you want to keep and which ones you want to get rid of. Darryl is a coach of men, he would be a huge asset in that sense. No coach in recent history had a better sense of what was in his room and what buttons need to be pushed than Sutter, especially on a short term basis (3 years or less).

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The one thing Sutter will definitely do is give you a sense of which players you want to keep and which ones you want to get rid of. Darryl is a coach of men, he would be a huge asset in that sense. No coach in recent history had a better sense of what was in his room and what buttons need to be pushed than Sutter, especially on a short term basis (3 years or less).

It just makes way to much sense so you just know they aren't going to do it.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sutter drafted twice in the second round between 03-10
Treliving has drafted in the second round 7 times from 14-20

Flames only had 1 year where they didn’t draft in the 1st round under Sutter where Treliving has 2 but Treliving did trade the 15th pick in 2015 for Hamilton and 3 years later traded Hamilton for the 5th pick in 2015 so the team is only without a 2018 first rounder in the organization right now.

I don’t buy your claim at all up there so please put the work in and prove me wrong.

Darryl had 21 picks in the first 3 rounds over 8 drafts
Treliving has had 16 over 7 drafts. If we grab a couple picks this year in the first 3 rounds he will have the same number of picks as Darryl over the first 3 rounds.

[GioforPM]

Sutter and Treliving as GMs are quite similar in retrospect. Both are tinkerers around the edges, not blow up the core guys, both got into win now mode a little early based on a PO success that was a bit of a fluke. Sutter made more off the board draft picks, but then again, didn’t have spots where there were the consensus picks like Bennett, Tkachuk and Monahan. Sutter couldn’t get a great C for his star winger. Treliving couldn’t get a winger for his top C and LW. Their highest profile draft picks disappointed.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I still believe Sutter is the key to saving Treliving this year. I see some similarities between the Flames and Kings team that Sutter came in and saved. Flames are a talented team that is GROSSLY underachieving right now. They have a solid goalie and have some solid skaters throughout their lineup. The Kings were pure trash before Sutter arrived and helped them get a swagger that put them on an 3 year run of Cup-WCF-Cup.

With the time ticking on this core they need to reach out to Sutter and let him come back to try and finish the job he worked to accomplish in his last time here.

His worst coaching move as GM was stepping away from the bench himself.

I truly don't know if Sutter is the answer, but as a fan, I am all in on giving it a try. I see little downside.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sutter and Treliving as GMs are quite similar in retrospect. Both are tinkerers around the edges, not blow up the core guys, both got into win now mode a little early based on a PO success that was a bit of a fluke. Sutter made more off the board draft picks, but then again, didn’t have spots where there were the consensus picks like Bennett, Tkachuk and Monahan. Sutter couldn’t get a great C for his star winger. Treliving couldn’t get a winger for his top C and LW. Their highest profile draft picks disappointed.

At least he tried with Jokinen. Langkow was a helluva add too.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sutter and Treliving as GMs are quite similar in retrospect. Both are tinkerers around the edges, not blow up the core guys, both got into win now mode a little early based on a PO success that was a bit of a fluke. Sutter made more off the board draft picks, but then again, didn’t have spots where there were the consensus picks like Bennett, Tkachuk and Monahan. Sutter couldn’t get a great C for his star winger. Treliving couldn’t get a winger for his top C and LW. Their highest profile draft picks disappointed.

This is an interesting thing as far as accountability goes.

Feaster was the hatchet man.

Sutter came in clean slate, built a playoff team and a good one at that, for years.

Sutter wasn’t tasked with the unpleasant messaging that ultimately had to be delivered, and Brad was the beneficiary.

Brad has not been called in to make any tough decisions (aside from the Peters situation but the decision was actually obvious).

In fact, what a great opportunity Brad had. He comes in with a lot of pieces in place, a young fast hard working team, culture of accountability, otherwise clean slate, and tons of cap space

Dream job and I’m sure he has had fun, but has squandered the opportunity. Enough of guys learning on the job. I’ve seen all I need to see

Again, time for one last process, the process of dismissal

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by madmike

Does he become a UFA if they don’t qualify him? Because at the moment he is nowhere close to being a $9 million player.

The Flames are great at bringing these young players up, seeing them have an immediate impact and then seeing them stagnate at 22 or 23. It’s bizarre. Most players at that age improve as time goes on.

He’s horrible.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Darryl had 21 picks in the first 3 rounds over 8 drafts
Treliving has had 16 over 7 drafts. If we grab a couple picks this year in the first 3 rounds he will have the same number of picks as Darryl over the first 3 rounds.

Considering the Flames never drafted twice in round 1 under Sutter and they only drafted twice in the second round you are using an abundance of third round picks. Why is 3 rounds the cutoff? 3rd rounders rarely make the NHL including most of those picked by Sutter

At least through the extra 2nd Treliving drafted with secured Andersson, Dube and Kylington.

[GreenLantern2814]

When Brad fired Hartley, he said he thought Bob had taken the team as far as he could.

I think Treliving has reached the same point.

He’s made some good trades, he’s made some bad free agent signings, and his coaching hires are appalling.

Someone else deserves the chance to right this ship.