[Rumour] McKenzie: dealbreaker for Flames is that Sens want Valimaki in Stone package

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Jermain Franklin @TSNJFranklin
I can confirm my colleagues recent reports concerning Michael Stone’s little bro. The #Sens ask is multiple picks and prospects. They’re trying to create a bidding war “for sure”. “Makes no sense” for #Flames to get involved in the bids. The hope is the price lowers

time to walk Tre.

put your best offer on the table and say its there until 11:59pm on Monday...

I'd move to other targets at this point

[Duffalufagus]

Well I agree that the ask is ridiculously high (right now), I think people are generally under valuing how good Stone is. We add him to the roster and we are the favourites in the west imo. I love Kylington too but could live with giving him up for Stone. Valimaki and Andersson would be non straters for me for a rental.

[Poe969]

The only way I give that much up is if they sign Stone to an 8 year extension then trade him to the flames and retain salary.

[Vinny01]

I would be okay giving up the 2 1st, Kylington, Dube, Frolik package for a signed Stone but that contract would have to be among Trelivings best. There is no way I would want it north of $9M and I would prefer a 6 year term.

I want $8.75Mx6 in order or justify the insane package

He turned down (allegedly) $10.5Mx5

When you do the math it doesn’t make sense. Shift the focus to Hayes unless the price comes down and remember that doing nothing is totally acceptable.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

I think people are generally under valuing how good Stone is.

I think you are generally under valuing just how good our young defensemen are, and how important they will be moving forward. They will provide cap relief as we pay for having so many good forwards. You are definitely under valuing those 1st round picks and how important those are to the sustainability of the hockey team. If I'm Treliving I walk away and let someone else waste their future on a rental. Ours looks pretty damn good at pretty well every position. Don't screw that up.

[Badgers Nose]

I don’t think the Flames are really in on Stone. IMO Tre is driving up the price and distracting from the deal he making with CBJ, PHI or NYR.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by New Era

I think you are generally under valuing just how good our young defensemen are, and how important they will be moving forward. They will provide cap relief as we pay for having so many good forwards. You are definitely under valuing those 1st round picks and how important those are to the sustainability of the hockey team. If I'm Treliving I walk away and let someone else waste their future on a rental. Ours looks pretty damn good at pretty well every position. Don't screw that up.

Stone is one of the best players in the league. Kylington shows promise as a prospect. Night and day. I would only pay one first for Stone. Not two. You don’t get heat shots to go to the finals like this very often. Stone would be massive for this run.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yes, I completely agree with this. I merely take issue with this recurring thought that one of them MUST be traded now because of an expansion draft that is still more than 27-months away.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Don't think anyone has suggested the Flames "MUST" trade one of them now actually. All discussions about moving them are similar to what AC is saying.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Stone is one of the best players in the league. Kylington shows promise as a prospect. Night and day. I would only pay one first for Stone. Not two. You don’t get heat shots to go to the finals like this very often. Stone would be massive for this run.

Kylington is on an NHL roster, he is no longer a "prospect". The only NHL roster player the Sens could pry away for Karlsson was Tierney.

Stone is a great player, no doubt. But there's a huge difference between Stone as a rental and Stone locked up for market value.

[Flash Walken]

If Tre can move out Neal and bring in stone in the same trade I'll name him best gm in flames history

[Split98]

I really think Kylington is going to be the primary ask from Ottawa. Fans would love to see another smooth skating defenceman out there

[Red]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Stone is one of the best players in the league. Kylington shows promise as a prospect. Night and day. I would only pay one first for Stone. Not two. You don’t get heat shots to go to the finals like this very often. Stone would be massive for this run.

I don't see him enough to say he is this or that. But a guy that's yet to score 30G can't be in the same conversation as Stamkos, Kutcherov, P. Kane etc. And he is winger, not a C.
Is he getting a bit too much hype?

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I don’t think the Flames are really in on Stone. IMO Tre is driving up the price and distracting from the deal he making with CBJ, PHI or NYR.

Has Treliving ever struck you as a guy who plays games?

If he's talking about Stone, he's serious about acquiring him.

[EldrickOnIce]

Walk away.
Sign Stone in July if you want.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Feels like the Sens are playing a game of chicken. A year ago they did this with Karlsson and didn't get a deal done, despite good deals apparently being on the table. This year they can't afford not to get a deal done as the player walks for nothing.
So they may feel like they have the leverage right now, but as the deadline approaches it will be a pinch point and leverage shifts to the potential buyers.
I have confidence GMBT won't blink first. He's proven to be a good negotiator in trades and contracts. Walk away from the table for now, and tomorrow in the final hours - come back with an appropriate offer.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Red

I don't see him enough to say he is this or that. But a guy that's yet to score 30G can't be in the same conversation as Stamkos, Kutcherov, P. Kane etc. And he is winger, not a C.
Is he getting a bit too much hype?

Yeah, don't think he gets $10.5M as a UFA, either. $8.5? Sure. But he isn't getting Tavares money.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Has Treliving ever struck you as a guy who plays games?

If he's talking about Stone, he's serious about acquiring him.

Yeah. Seems like a silly fantasy people create because they're uncomfortable with the idea that the Flames are considering moving more than they'd like. I seriously doubt professional GM's throw in fake bids to drive up price very often, if at all.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I think the Jets are in a better position to meet the Sens asking price (probably why some reports have them as the front runners). But if the Jets decide to move on and decide to expend assets on someone else, for example Hayes, then it could be Treliving's chance to move in and get a price more in line with what the Flames are willing to pay.

Exactly.

Asking price and the price they settle on may well be two different things. Just like contract negotiations when people are shocked by the rumored asks. If Stone isn't going to resign then they are probably going to end up sending him somewhere for a bit less than they originally hoped for because asset management.

If the market has dried up as they said, and Jets and Flames stand pat at what they think is reasonable, then the price may drop closer to the deadline.

[868904]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

As I said way earlier, how can it be size bias when I have no clue how big each guy is? If anything, you may have a small player bias, given how you bring it up all the time.

The organization seems to trust Andersson more. Why? I suspect his defensive play is better.

Valimaki is younger - and who knows what his production would be with more seasoning as the year went on. I don't think you can compare those two at all.

There is more to stats when evaluating players. What the Flames (management, coaches and players) like about Valimaki and Andersson over Kylington is poise. Like Giordano said, you can’t teach it, you either have it or you don’t. Kylington has the best physical skills of the three but he lacks the poise of the other two. Poise may be one of the most important attributes in a defenseman.

[NinePack]

[IMG] upload[/IMG]