Fair, but do you think a 1%'er and someone who got his fame by flaunting his wealth and brand is the guy who is going to champion the redistribution of wealth in the US?
Trump could very well be great for big business but I'm fairly positive that'll come at the expense of workers rights (among other things) and not the other way around.
I think it was Rouge that said Trump is the closest thing to a real-life monocle/top hat wearing Monopoly man yet some people see him as anti-establishment. It makes no sense.
He has shown throughout his career that he bends and uses the system to his needs and for his own benefit. People knew this about him way before he was even a candidate. Now he is basically being given the ultimate power to do whatever he wants.
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OMFG Dumpty Trumpty is the President of the United States. A reality TV star is now Commander in Chief of the most powerful military on Earth. America what the hell?
It's adorable that you believe that. That is simply not true.
This is complete horse####. I know of some "blue collar" people who are smarter than 75% of the "white-collar" professionals working in my building. Your job does not dictate your intelligence.
The smugness of the the liberal elites and looking down their noses at the "blue-collar" peons is what got you Trump. Keep it up and it will come to Canada too. It is already happening in other parts of the world.
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September U.S. rate: 5.0%
September Michigan rate: 4.6%
September Wisconsin rate: 4.1%
September Pennsylvania rate: 5.7%
Again.... Don't let facts get in your way guys. Trump sold these people an illusion.
Spoiler!
I think this graph explains the issue some the Americans have reacted to. There's other graphs out there as well.
I'm sure not a Trump supporter and enjoyed every skit/parody made regarding him (sucked into the media vortex which I'll be more wary of). But, got give him credit where credit is due. He saw what most didn't and took advantage. Or, he did what he says he does, and hired the "Best" who saw what most didn't and made the most of it.
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OMFG Dumpty Trumpty is the President of the United States. A reality TV star is now Commander in Chief of the most powerful military on Earth. America what the hell?
You say that like America hasn't elected someone from "show business" before...
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September U.S. rate: 5.0%
September Michigan rate: 4.6%
September Wisconsin rate: 4.1%
September Pennsylvania rate: 5.7%
Again.... Don't let facts get in your way guys. Trump sold these people an illusion.
So... what's your point??? OK, unemployment is down. But that doesn't show underemployment, being underpaid and more importantly the total acceptance to look down on a very large portion of the american population. You can't chose your sex or race or gender and we've been taught that as a result you are not to discriminate those groups. Well, you can't chose the economic sector your born into either yet it's 100% totally socially acceptable to belittle this class.
So now we have a class that is underemployed and under educated that is absolutely being left behind and following an election where they spoke up we simply dismiss them as being dumb and wonder what went wrong?
It didn't matter if Trump won or not. This divide is growing and will probably still continue to grow for the foreseeable future. So we can continue to label this group as bigots, racists, sexists and idiots and hope they go away or we can have a dialogue about how to fix the issue.
It's often been stated that people will continue to vote for policies that hurt them and as such a class that is most in need of social safety nets are willing to vote Republican. Yet during the campaign what did Clinton do to speak to this group? What policy's did she have that benefited this class? And more importantly how did she attempt to communicate these?
I don't have the answers - I wouldn't even know where to begin, except it probably doesn't involve Trump, but dismissing a large block of the voting public is probably not a good start.
For instance, what good could something like this possibly achieve in starting a constructive dialogue?
I think this graph explains the issue some the Americans have reacted to. There's other graphs out there as well.
I'm sure not a Trump supporter and enjoyed every skit/parody made regarding him (sucked into the media vortex which I'll be more wary of). But, got give him credit where credit is due. He saw what most didn't and took advantage. Or, he did what he says he does, and hired the "Best" who saw what most didn't and made the most of it.
This is complete horse####. I know of some "blue collar" people who are smarter than 75% of the "white-collar" professionals working in my building. Your job does not dictate your intelligence.
The smugness of the the liberal elites and looking down their noses at the "blue-collar" peons is what got you Trump. Keep it up and it will come to Canada too. It is already happening in other parts of the world.
Obviously there are exceptions but are you suggesting that education doesn't make you more intelligent? Are you serious? People aren't all "equally smart". That's what got you Trump. People thinking that he was going to be their saviour. Donald Trump, champion of the downtrodden.
Again, I'm not saying that there isn't some systemic problems with the distribution of wealth in the US. I'm saying that Donald Trump is probably the worst possible person to fix this issue, on the flip side you have to blame the democrats for not running with Sanders who was the EXACT answer to fix wealth distribution issues.
My point was the media has totally failed the american public and unfortunately, the unskilled workforce makes pretty much every decision based off of mainstream media.
Someone said it in the election thread, but it looks like we're seeing the fall of the american empire. You have a huge swath of the population whose parents and grandparents were able to make a comfortable life without education or any acquired skills and a lot of them think they should be able to do that too. That's why unemployment is low but you still have huge swaths of people feeling disenfranchised. It's going to be very scary to see how this plays out as those who can't break the mold will continue to fall by the wayside and just get angrier and more entrenched in their "under attack" mindsets as they start to realize that just voting in a candidate who makes a lot of noise isn't actually going to fix anything. Donald Trump is not going to be the one that brings skills and education to the under educated.
This is complete horse####. I know of some "blue collar" people who are smarter than 75% of the "white-collar" professionals working in my building. Your job does not dictate your intelligence.
The smugness of the the liberal elites and looking down their noses at the "blue-collar" peons is what got you Trump. Keep it up and it will come to Canada too. It is already happening in other parts of the world.
You might know some people who are, but that doesn't make it true of the whole.
I suppose if you're defining it solely by IQ, but being educated and well-read is a huge part of what we call "smart."
College educated people have a distinct advantage over those who only graduated high school (or less) in that regard. It's just a fact.
So... what's your point??? OK, unemployment is down. But that doesn't show underemployment, being underpaid and more importantly the total acceptance to look down on a very large portion of the american population. You can't chose your sex or race or gender and we've been taught that as a result you are not to discriminate those groups. Well, you can't chose the economic sector your born into either yet it's 100% totally socially acceptable to belittle this class.
So now we have a class that is underemployed and under educated that is absolutely being left behind and following an election where they spoke up we simply dismiss them as being dumb and wonder what went wrong?
It didn't matter if Trump won or not. This divide is growing and will probably still continue to grow for the foreseeable future. So we can continue to label this group as bigots, racists, sexists and idiots and hope they go away or we can have a dialogue about how to fix the issue.
It's often been stated that people will continue to vote for policies that hurt them and as such a class that is most in need of social safety nets are willing to vote Republican. Yet during the campaign what did Clinton do to speak to this group? What policy's did she have that benefited this class? And more importantly how did she attempt to communicate these?
I don't have the answers - I wouldn't even know where to begin, except it probably doesn't involve Trump, but dismissing a large block of the voting public is probably not a good start.
For instance, what good could something like this possibly achieve in starting a constructive dialogue?
Spoiler!
So who are the real "idiots" here?
People weren't even listening. I watched two debates and while there were millions tuned in, it wasn't nearly as much as those tuned out. Those who much rather watch Game of Thrones, football or play Xbox than be informed on their future. Clinton specifically mentioned progressive tax brackets on the upper class and focused entirely on building the middle class. She specifically attacked rich guys like Trump in her debates.
The message was there. But the voters "didn't trust her" because of emails, because of policy changing, or whatever else that was entirely superficial, unintelligent or perhaps even bigoted because she was a women. Whatever the reasons, yes, the idiots are those who voted for the Rob Ford of America to run their country and think somehow everything is going to get better for them even though he's the embodiment of everything they stand against
Not disagreeing, but does this consider underemployment?
If everyone is either a ditch digger or an investment banker, it's not exactly a fun place to be.
Is that a realistic demographic possibility though? Just looking at Michigan, here are their biggest employment sectors:
Trade, Transportation + Utilities: 773K
Education and Health: 670K
Professional + Business Services: 664K
Government: 599K
Manufacturing: 598K
Those make up about 70% of the workforce and all except Trade, Transportation, + Utilities have seen growth in employment in the last 12 months. Are those all terrible jobs? I don't know, it's hard to say without more specifics but on the surface it looks like they're doing fairly well economically. Certainly better than Canada is.
Different people have different definitions.. Intelligence to some means almost like the raw horsepower or innate ability, while smart is a function of education (like how you can train yourself to become better at a sport, but some people are also going to have a better or worse baseline to work from or higher or lower maximum potential).
Just suggesting to make sure you guys aren't assuming what each other means by words but actually have different definitions.
EDIT: Too late.
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This is complete horse####. I know of some "blue collar" people who are smarter than 75% of the "white-collar" professionals working in my building. Your job does not dictate your intelligence.
The smugness of the the liberal elites and looking down their noses at the "blue-collar" peons is what got you Trump. Keep it up and it will come to Canada too. It is already happening in other parts of the world.
You do know that the "elites" sit on both sides of the spectrum right? And both spend their time looking down their noses at the "blue-collar" peons, who also are represented on both sides of the spectrum.
It's weird.. when did the communist working class become the elistists and the corporate capitalist become champion of the workers?
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This is complete horse####. I know of some "blue collar" people who are smarter than 75% of the "white-collar" professionals working in my building. Your job does not dictate your intelligence.
The smugness of the the liberal elites and looking down their noses at the "blue-collar" peons is what got you Trump. Keep it up and it will come to Canada too. It is already happening in other parts of the world.
CorporateJay probably could have phrased that in a much less arrogant and condescending way. Its interesting though because his remark and your reaction is a prime example of what I think happened in this election
At the end of the day, Hillary fell into a corporate shill elitist to much of an insider picture. Parading out celebrities and members of the high political classes at rallies probably did a ton of harm to her, when Trump was basically accusing her of being a elitist member of a old boys government that wasn't serving the people well. A lot of the voters probably felt that she was too arrogant, too hooked into the system and corrupted by it and a huge example of the split between an elite class and the people that work for a living and feel that they're falling behind everyday.
I really don't think as I look at her campaign that the Democrats thought their playbook through very well.
From arrogance in terms of how they stumped, to basically feeding Trumps narrative, they did everything wrong and whether that failure in leadership came from Hillary or from her campaign team will be an interesting read when all of the books come out describing one of the biggest failures in US election history.
For all of the stuff that Hillary has done in her career, the exclamation mark is going to be this and she's going to be labeled as a failed Democrat who had and fumbled the White House.
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CorporateJay probably could have phrased that in a much less arrogant and condescending way. Its interesting though because his remark and your reaction is a prime example of what I think happened in this election
At the end of the day, Hillary fell into a corporate shill elitist to much of an insider picture. Parading out celebrities and members of the high political classes at rallies probably did a ton of harm to her, when Trump was basically accusing her of being a elitist member of a old boys government that wasn't serving the people well. A lot of the voters probably felt that she was too arrogant, too hooked into the system and corrupted by it and a huge example of the split between an elite class and the people that work for a living and feel that they're falling behind everyday.
I really don't think as I look at her campaign that the Democrats thought their playbook through very well.
From arrogance in terms of how they stumped, to basically feeding Trumps narrative, they did everything wrong and whether that failure in leadership came from Hillary or from her campaign team will be an interesting read when all of the books come out describing one of the biggest failures in US election history.
For all of the stuff that Hillary has done in her career, the exclamation mark is going to be this and she's going to be labeled as a failed Democrat who had and fumbled the White House.
This is complete horse####. I know of some "blue collar" people who are smarter than 75% of the "white-collar" professionals working in my building. Your job does not dictate your intelligence.
The smugness of the the liberal elites and looking down their noses at the "blue-collar" peons is what got you Trump. Keep it up and it will come to Canada too. It is already happening in other parts of the world.
Blue-Collar/White-Collar is the wrong way of looking at it.
Plumbers, Electricians, Millwrights, the list goes on... These are all blue collar jobs that take significant investment in building up skills and knowledge.
Look at it as Unskilled/Skilled workers.
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