Should Feaster get fired over the O'Reilly offersheet fiasco - Page 28 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Flash Walken · 03-01-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

My question is, if the Flames were having something resembling on ice success, or if the cupboards had been stocked with talent, or basically Feaster had a pretty high approval rating, would this blunder be fatal? Is the a last straw thing, or is this so bad that it's a death sentence regardless of anything else?

If Feaster is Dale Tallon and does this after winning the cup, I think it's likely he gets canned.

Trading away a top 5 pick is just exacerbating things.

trackercowe · 03-01-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by keenan87

I didn't read through 40 pages so let me get this straight.

We could have traded our 1st and 3rd to Avalanche and the Oilers could have picked him up.

1st and 3rd for nothing?

I say fire his ass if this is true

Only the teams behind us could have picked him up, so not the Oilers. But, you'd have to think one of the few teams would have snatched him of waivers.

So yes 1st and 3rd for nothing. Fire his ass!

Ezio · 03-01-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Burke is a media whore, but can be an excellent GM... then again, Toronto didn't do much during his tenure there.

Burke's built a dynamic, offensively skilled and tough team as evident by this year. Also reloaded the prospect pool and made great, franchise progressing trades. His only 'bad move' was the Kessel trade and even then, he still has the BPA.

BigFlameDog · 03-01-2013, 01:35 PM

Clearly no one knew this "hockey smart" but "stupid in all other areas" hockey player had played a couple of games since the start of the season.

That would have been an important topic for his agent to bring up at some point. Should the Flames have checked it out? For sure, but if you had some admin or assistant double checking if O'Reilly played they wouldn't know WhoTF Rayan O Rayli was.

Looks like the Flames were not the only ones who were out of the loop on this one. I'm just saying firing Feaster is easy in hind sight now that all the "experts" are in the know.

Stupid situation all around IMO.....there would have to be some legalities that could be exploit..sue the player for being a dumba$$.

Edit: I don't actually care if Feaster is fired as long as someone competent comes in...I am right on the line with him but I usually show patience to see if someone has a plan.

North East Goon · 03-01-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by keenan87

I didn't read through 40 pages so let me get this straight.

We could have traded our 1st and 3rd to Avalanche and the Oilers could have picked him up.

1st and 3rd for nothing?

I say fire his ass if this is true

We would essentially be paying O'Reilly 2.5 million for a signing bonus, trading our 1st and 3rd rd. picks of the 2013 draft in exchange for the right to place O'Reilly on waivers, to which he would be claimed by another team.

nik- · 03-01-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blankall

According to the present rules as read purely under their clear language, only RFAs and players on the Reserve list are exempt from waivers. O'Reily is no longer an RFA as Colorado has matched on offer sheet.

If Daly was going to force the Flames to put him through waivers, he should now have to force the Avs to do the exact same thing.

Man, your level of denial is unbelievable.

This isn't a video game, if an RFA is signed he technically isn't an RFA anymore but this doesn't lead to an "ahhh ... now he's not an RFA because you signed him, now he has to go through Waivers" For the purpose of the CBA, he's exempt to the waiver wire because his status with that club was RFA. They EXPLICITLY change this for this purpose.

What is your deal, why can't you accept this?

polak · 03-01-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blankall

According to the present rules as read purely under their clear language, only RFAs and players on the Reserve list are exempt from waivers. O'Reily is no longer an RFA as Colorado has matched on offer sheet.

If Daly was going to force the Flames to put him through waivers, he should now have to force the Avs to do the exact same thing.

Which makes your interpretation absolutely asinine.

That means that all of the owners agreed that if your RFA played in europe after a certian date, you lose him 100% and then signed the dotted line to verify that interpretation.

Saint Troy · 03-01-2013, 01:37 PM

Humiliating for a once proud franchise, what would Harley Hotchkiss think?

Erick Estrada · 03-01-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by habernac

Nick Cotsonika ‏@cotsonika
It was Feaster's job to know. But a lot of smart, informed people inside and outside the NHL did not know about O'Reilly and waivers.

Really it's more a matter of which smart, informed people inside the NHL did not know O'Reilly played in Europe. Probabaly many beacuse ROR isn't relavant to a lot of teams that were never interested in putting in an offer sheet therefore they never performed the necessary checks as teams don't follow every single player not on their team.

However when a team is looking at giving up valuable assets in a transaction for that player they should know he played a couple of games and know to ensure that wouldn't be an issue. Clearly that wasn't done and wether this was simpy out of haste to be first to make an offer or simply poor overall review of the details someone messed up big time within the Flames organization.

The only way I can see the Feaster and Co. coming out of this clean is if necessary paperwork was not done or indicated by the ROR party when he went to Europe if they needed such paperwork to file to the league.

Joborule · 03-01-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ezio

Burke's built a dynamic, offensively skilled and tough team as evident by this year. Also reloaded the prospect pool and made great, franchise progressing trades. His only 'bad move' was the Kessel trade and even then, he still has the BPA.

Not to mention that he ripped off the Flames in the Phaneuf trade. Although both parties didn't get what they expected.

Either way, Burke is a HUGE upgrade over Feaster. I would rather have Burke around here now since I've lost all faith in Feaster.

Vedder · 03-01-2013, 01:39 PM

Feaster was available on short notice last night to talk to radio and TV about what a bold move this was. Not so eager today?

getbak · 03-01-2013, 01:39 PM

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Vicki Hall ‏@vickihallch
Flames say in statement that they have a different interpretation of article 13.23 than the NHL

Interesting to hear what they have to say about this.

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Feaster: "While we were prepared to advance our position with the NHL, in light of Colorado's having matched the offer sheet, it is now an academic point."

howard_the_duck · 03-01-2013, 01:39 PM

Rumors are trickling through that the Avs indeed may not have filed the paperwork yet.

Kill me now.

valo403 · 03-01-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If Feaster is Dale Tallon and does this after winning the cup, I think it's likely he gets canned.

Trading away a top 5 pick is just exacerbating things.

So you're saying I shouldn't get FEASTER across the back of a jersey (#69 obviously) when I'm in town next week?

craig.caulks · 03-01-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blankall

This.

People need to relax here. If Feaster was wrong, there's several dozen other lawyers, GMs, owners, agents, etc... who were also wrong.

It was not a simple case of Feaster not seeing the rule. The rule is totally ambiguous. Daly is making an arbitrary interpretation.

If the other GM's had made the offer then this discussion would be about them. But when you are the person executing this deal you better have crossed every i and dotted every t.

Jayems · 03-01-2013, 01:40 PM

Surely the flames would have argued that he was being (or the KHL team) was being deceitful in him playing under a different name and would have had a legal leg to stand on before losing their picks? Perhaps the opportunity to cancel the deal?

polak · 03-01-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

Interesting to hear what they have to say about this.

What other choice do they possibly have?

They're not going to admit they're all morons.

dissentowner · 03-01-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

Interesting to hear what they have to say about this.

Well, they better freakin explain it then. Feaster needs to address the media but more importantly, his fan base.

Flash Walken · 03-01-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

So you're saying I shouldn't get FEASTER across the back of a jersey (#69 obviously) when I'm in town next week?

Much safer bet to get "King"

sven · 03-01-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

if its such a bad contract why did they match it

Have they officially matched it?
Thank god for the Flames if they did.

But to be more direct, they matched it because he is worth more than a 1st and 3rd rounder. They matched it because you have to protect your assets.
5m at this time is overpayment but the hope would be that he would be a 5m player in the future.

They obviously didn't think he was worth 5 as an RFA or he would have been signed before the season started.
By Calgary offering him a bloated salary, they forced the AVs hands