The Ongoing Coyotes Sale Thread

[Jets4Life]

On a side note, I do not mind personally if I am mocked due to my passion for the return of the NHL to Winnipeg, my birth city. I know when to draw the line.


Taken from the Coyotes forum on AZCentral (DitzyMolson):


Well I do know that the GWI has rallied the local tea party nuts to try and bring the Jets back home to Winnipeg. I wouldn't be surprised if one of those Goldwater supporters from the Tea Party tried to pull a Jared Laughner.

You do know that Goldwater has represented these nuts in the past don't you?

So again I give you this expensive security upgrade costing taxpayer money probably directly caused by the Goldwater Institute and their recent rhetoric bringing out the nuts and getting them all in a foamed mouth frenzy.

I wonder if Darcy has got a map with cross hair targets on the wall of her office and Howler is right in the middle of it? She's like the Wicked Witch of Oz. Only Darcy is uglier. Both in and out.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...tightened.html

That's just nuts.

[calgaryred]

Hey I'd love to have Winnipeg back in the league more rivals for the Flames, I loved the Jets/Flames rivalry. I hated them just as much as I hated the Canucks in the 90's, but nothing like my hatred for the Oilers thats a hate that will never be matched.

[Jordan!]

Killlllll meeeeeeee.......

I have the feeling I should REALLY get used to being a Basketball fan. Those rat sons of bitches.. Westgate's blood will be on their hands forever. I feel for the owners of my fav restaurant there Kabuki.. amazing people who will be no doubt out of business.

Hopefully somehow these bonds get sold at a higher rate and Goldwater get's sued to hell

[greyshep]

Wow, not only can Hulsizer not afford to buy the team with his own money. He obviously cant afford to hire someone to proof read his letters either.

Sounds like a real pro.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

Killlllll meeeeeeee.......

I have the feeling I should REALLY get used to being a Basketball fan. Those rat sons of bitches.. Westgate's blood will be on their hands forever. I feel for the owners of my fav restaurant there Kabuki.. amazing people who will be no doubt out of business.

Hopefully somehow these bonds get sold at a higher rate and Goldwater get's sued to hell

Unfortunately, just going through the comments sections on these articles, virtually everyone that pays taxes is against this deal, and nobody seems to care about the team. I know as a tax payer, as much as I love the Flames and the NHL, I would be outraged if the city was essentially paying someone to take the team, with tax dollars. This farce has to end. To have a market for any product you need supply and demand. There is virtually NO demand for tis team in Phoenix.

It sucks for fans like yourself, but there is no way this deal is good for the city. Just not enough people care about the team. I look at the pictures of an empty arena, and half of the seats filled by opposing teams fans, and feel for Cities like Quebec, Hamilton, and Winnipeg. They wont be the most succesful franchises in the league, but at least, they could break even.

Phoenix will never, ever, ever, ever break even, and it is just time to cut the losses now for both Glendale and the NHL. This deal reeks of back door cronyism, and if it goes through, I bet someone goes to jail for it one day, when the facts really come out.

I would almost bet, they would make more money, on every aspect of the operation, if they set up an AHL team down there. You would likely have just as many fans in the stands, as only true fans seem to show up anyway, and you salary commitements are cut 90%. Heck, they are already selling seats at AHL prices, and I truly think most people there are so ignorant to the game, they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the 2 games.

I just think its time to take old Shep behind the barn, and put him out of his misery.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

Killlllll meeeeeeee.......

I have the feeling I should REALLY get used to being a Basketball fan. Those rat sons of bitches.. Westgate's blood will be on their hands forever. I feel for the owners of my fav restaurant there Kabuki.. amazing people who will be no doubt out of business.

Hopefully somehow these bonds get sold at a higher rate and Goldwater get's sued to hell

I've stayed pretty quiet on the 'emotion' side of the whole Jets/Coyotes situation, trying to speak strictly to the facts as they are presented, but seriously? Oh boo-hoo, whatever.

Get an AHL team as a tenant, Winnipeg did. If Glendale et al. is a good 'hockey market' and proper management will allow a team to prosper as you've parroted over and over and over, then you'll have no problem embracing the Glendale Moose or whatever the hell they call them; Winnipeg did.


I hope very soon that you'll know what former Jets fans like myself went through when we lost our team to Arizona. Only difference is you won't know what it's like to see your former team play in a new locale that clearly doesn't "get" hockey and as a result doesn't care about hockey, because that was the biggest hoof to the groin of any Jets fan. No one there gave a crap about "The Coolest Game in the Desert", yet there were people in Winnipeg still listening to Curt Kielbach provide the play-by-play for Coyotes games on crappy AM radio (KY58, the oldies station), right up until the station went bust.

I've stayed cautiously optimistic, if not sometimes even realistic/pessimistic about the NHL returning to Winnipeg for a long time. This is the first time I can say with some confidence that there's a great chance that Winnipeg will finally get another team.

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Now that I've got that out of the way, let's speak to the facts once more: the bonds won't get sold at a higher rate because the city can't afford to back them at a higher rate and investors know this, as well the threat of action from Goldwater has made them even less attractive. There are plenty of municipal bonds that one could invest in, why on Earth would one pick the ones being offered up by Glendale?

[Nuje]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I've stayed pretty quiet on the 'emotion' side of the whole Jets/Coyotes situation, trying to speak strictly to the facts as they are presented, but seriously? Oh boo-hoo, whatever.

Get an AHL team as a tenant, Winnipeg did. If Glendale et al. is a good 'hockey market' and proper management will allow a team to prosper as you've parroted over and over and over, then you'll have no problem embracing the Glendale Moose or whatever the hell they call them; Winnipeg did.


I hope very soon that you'll know what former Jets fans like myself went through when we lost our team to Arizona. Only difference is you won't know what it's like to see your former team play in a new locale that clearly doesn't "get" hockey and as a result doesn't care about hockey, because that was the biggest hoof to the groin of any Jets fan. No one there gave a crap about "The Coolest Game in the Desert", yet there were people in Winnipeg still listening to Curt Kielbach provide the play-by-play for Coyotes games on crappy AM radio (KY58, the oldies station), right up until the station went bust.

I've stayed cautiously optimistic, if not sometimes even realistic/pessimistic about the NHL returning to Winnipeg for a long time. This is the first time I can say with some confidence that there's a great chance that Winnipeg will finally get another team.

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Now that I've got that out of the way, let's speak to the facts once more: the bonds won't get sold at a higher rate because the city can't afford to back them at a higher rate and investors know this, as well the threat of action from Goldwater has made them even less attractive. There are plenty of municipal bonds that one could invest in, why on Earth would one pick the ones being offered up by Glendale?

Oh KY58. Had a friend who's dad's Ford Thunderbird's radio could only get that one station.

I still remember that one bit about reporters asking people in Phoenix what they knew about hockey before they got their team. They asked one person what they thought icing was. The answer was "is that when players throw ice at eachother".

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Whereas I, in contrast, completely expected this response for the exact reason I mentioned in my previous post: Goldwater does not want one red cent of taxpayer money to be going to a private enterprise, as it violates Arizona law.

On the bright side, CalgaryPuck will appreciate your donation, I'm sure.

When people high up are telling you that this thing will be resolved and here's how, you listen.

I still say it will be resolved and the team will stay. I think the NHL might go so far as to sell the team for $100 million less and get the parking revenue themselves if that's what it takes. Of course, that would be subject to Board of Governors approval but that might not be as hard as you think. They need this team to stay in Phoenix.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Now that I've got that out of the way, let's speak to the facts once more: the bonds won't get sold at a higher rate because the city can't afford to back them at a higher rate and investors know this, as well the threat of action from Goldwater has made them even less attractive. There are plenty of municipal bonds that one could invest in, why on Earth would one pick the ones being offered up by Glendale?

They actually have all the bond investors lined up and ready to go but will not pull the trigger until the lawsuit threat is gone i.e. Goldwater goes away. I'm now firmly convinced that Goldwater is never going to go away. They need to figure out another way and fast.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

They actually have all the bond investors lined up and ready to go but will not pull the trigger until the lawsuit threat is gone i.e. Goldwater goes away. I'm now firmly convinced that Goldwater is never going to go away. They need to figure out another way and fast.

Only one other way. Move them to Winnipeg.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

When people high up are telling you that this thing will be resolved and here's how, you listen.

I still say it will be resolved and the team will stay. I think the NHL might go so far as to sell the team for $100 million less and get the parking revenue themselves if that's what it takes. Of course, that would be subject to Board of Governors approval but that might not be as hard as you think. They need this team to stay in Phoenix.

I have a natural tendency not to trust people who claim to be 'in the know' unless what they're saying actually makes logical sense to me. Even just off the information disclosed by the media, it was a pretty easy conclusion for me to come to that Goldwater would not be satisfied with the concessions by Hulsizer.

I still say you're donating $100 to CP and the Desert Dogs will be placed in a kennel with airport code YWG marked as the destination. The NHL does not 'need' this team to stay in Phoenix. They should have decided far earlier in the year to move the team - this whole drama with the team and Glendale, Goldwater, Balsillie, Hulsizer, Ice Edge and Reinsdorf has been an absolute embarassment to the league. Admit your mistakes, cut your losses.

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

They actually have all the bond investors lined up and ready to go but will not pull the trigger until the lawsuit threat is gone i.e. Goldwater goes away. I'm now firmly convinced that Goldwater is never going to go away. They need to figure out another way and fast.

If Hulsizer buys the team with his own money, not Glendale's, then Goldwater will stand down. Hulsizer didn't get to be worth what he is by making stupid financial decisions (certainly wasn't his spelling abilities either), which is why he's trying to get Glendale to front more than half of the cash for him to purchase the team. Also, I assume that people 'high up' have told you that the investors are lined up, just as they told you this whole fiasco would end positively by end of day Monday. You'll have to excuse me for being skeptical of any information you've been provided with that you're subsequently relaying to us here, none of it has been very accurate thus far.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I don't understand how this is still going. Who in their right mind would invest in those bonds now? Might as well piss your money down the drain.

Well if people are foolish enough to invest in a team in Winnipeg, you never know what kind of suckers you can find.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Well if people are foolish enough to invest in a team in Winnipeg, you never know what kind of suckers you can find

David Thompson says hi.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

They need this team to stay in Phoenix.

I guess the obvious question is why? Team has never made money since it left Winnipeg.....

Why would the NHL Board of Governor's need a team in Phoenix?

Personally I hope it does get resolved this week.....

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

David Thompson says hi.

"There is a sucker born every minute."

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

David Thompson says hi.

Who is David Thompson?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Who is David Thompson?

Who is Matthew Hulsizer.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Who is David Thompson?

Oh my I put a P in there, thank you for pointing that out.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

They need this team to stay in Phoenix.

Explain.

The only reason I can think of is the US TV contract, which has never been worth that much to the NHL. League revenues would rise if the team moved to Winnipeg, the salary cap would go up, and players could be paid more, franchise values could increase. The NHLPA does not need the team to stay in Phoenix.

[MacGruber]

is sidney crosbys hat some sort of insider and im not aware of it?